I suggest that no one respond to Whisper anywhere except in this thread and only if she responds to the points made in this thread. If she refuses to respond then point it out and humiliate him/her for being a complete joke. Challege whisper to respond. I have little doubt whisper will run away rather than deal with the facts. DO not let Whisper spam the board with nonsense. Ignore anything written anywhere and get her here.
Just like Ryan you keep turning things on their head and approach everything arse backwards. It is amazing that we are expected to produce proof of Geraldine’s marriages to others but you feel no obligation to prove Geraldine’s marriage to DeFeo. The burden of proof is on Ryan’s camp, of which you admitted you are a part, to prove Geraldine’s marriage to DeFeo and also prove she personally witnessed everything she claimed to witness. Also the burden is on you to establish she was living in NJ and that DeFeo lived in NJ with her.
Ron DeFeo denies her claims. He denies he lived with her in NJ. He asserts he first met her in 1985. That is why Ryan will not interview him on camera because he will tell the world that Geraldine is a fraud.
Geraldine signed an affidavit denying she was his wife during the murders.
Her claim that police forced her to sign these lies under oath or they would put her in jail is ludicrous. People don’t get prosecuted for failing to perjure themselves they go to jail for perjuring themselves. If she was committing perjury in this affidavit then that would open her up to prosecution for perjury. Refusing to file a statement that is false would not open her up to perjury charges. The fact this was signed in PA is even more significant. New York Police have no authority to arrest anyone in PA. They would have to file charges in NY and then request extradition from PA. Suffolk County police have no authority to make arrests even in New York State outside of Suffolk County.
The Suffolk County DA investigated her statements from this affidavit and found out that she was being honest about her marriages. The DA’s office personally interviewed her ex-husbands and husband Gates. Pisani confirmed he was married to Geraldine duing the relevant time she claimed to have been married to DeFeo and that Stephani was his daughter. Her other husbands also confirmed their marriages. The DA’s office also did an exhaustive search for records of a marriage between DeFeo and Geraldine in NJ and found none. The DA’s office did an exhaustive search for birth records and found that contrary to Geradine’s claims that Stephanie was born in NJ she was in fact born in upstate NY to Joseph Pisani and Geraldine Pisani. Likewise property records prove that since at least 1973 Pisani and Geraldine were living together as man and wife in upstate New York and had Peter Pisani together in upstate New York in December 1975 thus during the entire trial they still were living together as man and wife in NY.
Stephanie’s birth record:
Note how the legal name she is using is Geraldine Pisani. Note also that they state husband and wife or by the entirety which is a tenancy available only to married couples.
So we have:
1) Joseph Pisani telling the authorities he was married to Geraldine and living in upstate New York the 1973-75 period that she claims to have been living in NJ with DeFeo.
2) We have deeds backing up his claim that they were living together in upstate NY
3) We have a birth record proving they had a child together in upstate NY and this is the same child that Geraldine claims was Rons and there is no doubt she lied about the birth location. This child has the same birthday she gave but she claimed was born in NJ.
To any rational person this proves she was living in upstate NY not Monmouth County NJ.
In addition William Weber testified at Ron’s 440 hearing. He denied the claim that he was ever told that Ron had a wife and denied he had ever met Geraldine let alone enlisted her aid to convince Ron to put on a crazy act while on the witness stand.
Chuck Tewksbury also testified at the hearing and denied Geraldine was around at the time and said he never met or heard of her. John Carswell likewise denied knowing Geraldine and provided an affidavit that stated he was asked to sign a false statement to validate Geraldine and that he did so to help Ron out in a civil matter. He said he had no idea they planned to use it for his criminal case and that he didn’t get it notarized someone else obviously got it fraudulently notarized.
Here is the paragraph from the DA’s motion opposition brief concerning Carswell’s recanting and then the exact page of the exhibit that is pertinent:
The ONLY person to testify at the hearing that Geraldine was around at the time of the murders was Barry Springer who later recanted. Barry Springer stated under oath that he lied about Geraldine being his wife and Stephanie his daughter. Thus at present all of Ron’s friends deny the claim that Geraldine was his wife.
So does Nonnewitz for that matter:
Does Ryan bother to mention that the few people who Geraldine and Ron recruited to lie and falsely validate Geraldine all recanted and that some like Tewksbury and Nonnewitz refused to go along at all?
They also validate how she was trying to scam money:
Did Ryan ask the Nonnewitzes about this on camera? Did he ask them about why they signed an affidavit denying knowing her till 1985? If not then he is not a very good investigator. If so but he is hiding the answers because it ruins his bogus garbage then he is a fraud.
Moreover, Ron’s statement to police included the statement that he lived with his parents and often went to work with his father. Add to that the testimony of friends that Ron was always in Amityville messing around after work. In fact Mindy Weiss testified that he spent a great deal of time with her the Summer and fall of 1974 which makes the claim he was usually in NJ after work impossible. Moreover, why would he simply not go back to NJ and let someone else find the bodies and say he was living in NJ with her if that had been true? Why instead of going to NJ after work did he go to the mall with Weiss and make a date to see her again that night? These were all contemporaneous claims and none mentioned Geraldine. In fact some of the episodes recounted at trial were episodes where Geraldine claims she was present. However the testimony of who was present doesn’t mention her such as at the hospital visiting Marc. Though she insists she was there the testimony at trial of who was present doesn’t include her.
There are many other problems as well. How could they constantly have been at her home and yet she be in Amityville all the time witnessing and taking part in what she claims to have?
Worse yet she can’t give a consistent marriage year let alone date. You are demanding proof of marriages to men who admit to the authorities they were married to her, who she stated under oath she was married to and a vast amount of documentary evidence exists to support their claims such as the deeds and birth records and even criminal records. She was jailed in 1980 under the name Geraldine Gates. This proves that her legal name at the time was Geraldine Gates not DeFeo. There is no evidence she ever went by Geraldine DeFeo. She certainly was not using that name at the time that Osuna wrote his book and thus it is especially pathetic he referred to her in that manner.
The only time she held herself out as Geraldine Defeo was when she wanted money such as applying to the probate court. The only document she ever got in the name Geraldine DeFeo was a County ID card in 1985. I spoke with length to Tracy Coulson the person who verified the ID for Osuna. She explained to me the purpose for the cards and process for obtaining one. Until 1988 New York State did not have a non-driver photo ID. Cayuga County issued its own ID for county residents so they could use it for access to Cayuga County services. It was not recognized as a valid ID outside of the county and once the state began issuing non-driver photo Ids the county discontinued issuing them and stopped recognizing them as valid ID. To obtain one you needed your birth certificate, proof of residence in Cayuga County and if you last name was changed by marriage or a court order then proof of the marriage or name change. If Geraldine has no birth certificate as claimed then she can’t have gotten the ID card. That means she either lied about not having a birth certificate, forged a birth certificate or bribed someone to obtain the ID. Moreover she must have shown her forged marriage certificate. Finally she was living in Deposit New York at the time which is not in Cayuga County and thus did not meet the residency requirement. That means she must have either submitted a false address inside of Cayuga county or if she listed her real address then had to have bribed someone because I was assured these were only available to county resident. This means for sure we know she obtained it by fraud. She claims she has no marriage certificate to DeFeo, was not living in Cayuga county in 1985 and denies having a birth certificate. She thus was not entitled to the only ID she ever got in the name Geraldine DeFeo.
The burden is on you not us. The burden is on you to provide evidence she went by the name Geraldine DeFeo. Produce birth records showing she was using that name. Show property records she was using that name. Show she obtained a driver license, which she claimed she had (indeed she insisted she drove to New York constantly), under the name Geraldine DeFeo.
I already marshaled more than enough evidence to refute her nonsense but I had no obligation to. The burden is on you to establish she was married to DeFeo by providing evidence.
If she really married Defeo she could provide an exact date and would stick to that date. The date she provided originally and the same location she got married to Fred Corey exactly 10 years earlier. We know the reason why she did this. Because she took that marriage certificate erased Corey’s name and replaced it with DeFeo’s then erased the 6 in 1964 and replaced it with a 7 so it read 1974. She then simply recounted that as the marriage date and location because that is what was easiest for her to forge.
Once the forgery was exposed she changed her claims. Then she stopped giving an exact date and only provided a year or season of a year. The date changes though. She keeps changing when she supposedly first met him and when they married. If she were really married to him she could give an exact date and location and it would not change it would remain consistent.
Did Ryan or Osuna ever ask her why the dates keep changing what the exact date is etc?
Moreover she stated that in 1977 DeFeo divorced her. Divorce records are not merely vital records but also contained in court records. Divorces are handled by the courts and there is no record of any divorce in 1977 between them indeed a prisoner has no standing to sue for divorce from a marriage that occurred prior to incarceration only a marriage that took place during incarceration.
Geraldine’s lies make no sense, she constantly contradicts herself (her tales are never consistent) and she are refuted by all the available evidence.
What is your evidence to support her claims? You have none. If I am wrong present it.
Present the exact date and location she was married and then post evidence to support that such is accurate. You can’t even come up with a precise date and location let alone documentary evidence
Until you come up with evidence to support Geraldine’s claims and address my points there is no reason to bother with you at all. If you want a response from anyone address my evidence and points.
The denial of the 440 motion featured the judge deciding that Geraldine was a fraud and all the claims related to her not credible including Springer’s testimony that was later recanted (thus proving the judge was right not to trust it) and found all the statements of the witnesses who refuted Geraldine to be true.
You have a high burden to meet to undermine that finding especially in light of the recantations.
Why is it that Ryan never highlights and addresses the recantations? Why did The Night The DeFeo’s Died post the recanted statements but not the most recent statements denying Geraldine and fail to address they were recanted?
That is called dishonest. Omissions meant to deceive can constitute lies.
It is not as if Ryan had to do any digging even, these issues were already litigated. The DA already interviewed the witnesses including the (ex)husbands, looked for marriage records, found relevant birth records, property records etc. all Ryan and Osuna had to do was review such. They either refused to do so because they wanted to remain blind or did but refused to publish the truth in favor of advancing Geraldine’s known lies that were thoroughly refuted in court already.
I’m not finished.
Geraldine insisted that in 1973 or 1974 William Davidge Sr was transferred to Florida. And the family moved there and that Ron paid for Billy Davidge to fly to NY to attend Dawn’s Prom with her. Part I of Shattered Hopes depicts Billy telling Dawn about the transfer and implies that fights over going to Florida to visit him drove her to kill her father. Why don’t you have Ryan address the fact that William Davidge died in 1972 so the claim he was transferred was false. Moreover Billy graduated from high school in Amityville in 1975 and thus didn’t move to Florida until after that. Thus he was not living in Florida in 1974 it was a lie. The entire account of how Dawn was fighting to go to Florida all falls apart under scrutiny. What is Ryan’s response to this? He is a legend in his own mind and keeps insisting he did such thorough research. How did he fail to research the heart of his claims? How come he failed to research whether they actually were transferred and moved to Florida as claimed? He keeps calling me an amateur. I knew enough to try to locate the parents to ask if they actually moved as claimed and in so doing found their obituaries. His obit proves the transfer claim was bogus and hers proves she didn’t move until after the murders and conviction. So then I turned to Billy’s school records because they would establish with certainly where he was living and it didn’t take much to find out he graduated in Amityville in 1975.
1) How come Ryan failed to research the matter and try to corroborate Geraldine’s claims?
2) What does Ryan have to say now that he knows the truth and that a central portion of his case against Dawn is built upon lies?
Did he even bother to interview Fagan who was with Dawn 7 days a week thus further undermining the claim that she even had a boyfriend at all let alone that Billy was her boyfriend.
Does Ryan admit that the fact he graduated in 1975 proves he can’t have moved to Florida and that the Dawn conspiracy claims was all based around a falsehood?
Is he going to come clean and admit the error and failure to investigate properly or do what he usually does and sweep it under the rug ignore it and avoid the truth at all costs in favor of his fictional accounts?