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Re: Shattered Hopes DVD Review

Posted: Sat Jan 14, 2012 5:05 pm
by sherbetbizarre
The onscreen smoking may have messed with your mind...

Re: Shattered Hopes DVD Review

Posted: Sat Jan 14, 2012 7:15 pm
by Rokiisun
They never explained anything about a Michael, but from the way Ric was talking he initially
thought Geraldine was another person just lying to get a shot of fame or money so maybe that's
why he asked her about the crime scene photograph.

Maybe this Michael (or a group of people for that matter) tried the same trick with Ric and that's
why he needed some vertification that Geraldine was the real deal. A description of the locket and
over 90 minutes of phone conversation later and the rest is history...

Re: Shattered Hopes DVD Review

Posted: Sat Jan 14, 2012 7:36 pm
by Dan the Damned
Here's a link about Michael which should open some eyes... :roll:

Re: Shattered Hopes DVD Review

Posted: Sun Jan 15, 2012 3:41 am
by TheDLRbeeotch
Shattered Hopes Part one was Fantastic! You guys talk way to much :) flower :) about Ryan and Geraldine... Their good people, and I think its time you move on. Seriously you been attacking them for over :) love :) years now, enough enough already...

Oh and by the way, if you havent orderd the DVD because you are afraid that they will get your address and you will end up in court etc... You might as well order it anyway, becasuse after all this time, I'm sure they already know who you are and already have your addresses..

Ryan is a good person, and you guys trash him left and right. NO ONE deserves to be treated like the way you have treated him... You guys are nothing more then a bunch of :) flower :) (those of you who have spent so much time trashing his name).. You know who you are..

Re: Shattered Hopes DVD Review

Posted: Sun Jan 15, 2012 3:47 am
by TheDLRbeeotch
Shattered part 1 was fantastic. Oh and by the way, if you are afraid to order it or something becuase you are afraid Ryan will get your address or something and you will end up in court etc. You might as well order a copy because after all this time you guys have been trashing him on this forum, wouldn't you think he would know who you people are? Where you live? I bet he does!

Those of you who have spent all this time trashing him, you're a bunch of :) flower :). Ryans a good guy, unlike some of you! Seriously, I think you guys are off your :) love :) meds... Theres nothing funny about hurtting another person... You probably were all school yard bullies growing up, but based on what Ive seen most of you havent grown up..

Re: Shattered Hopes DVD Review

Posted: Sun Jan 15, 2012 4:21 am
by sherbetbizarre
Welcome to the board!

Please explain how we are "hurting" Mr Katzenbach...

Re: Shattered Hopes DVD Review

Posted: Sun Jan 15, 2012 4:35 am
by TheDLRbeeotch
Really? How? hmmm, you guys have a thread on the forum that goes back years, and all it is, is about him.. Its an attach on him... If you didn't have this forum and lets say there was no internet, what would you guys do to bash him? Send him endless comments through the mail? You know what that would look like, it would look like stalking, obsession, anti social behavior, the works man!! Just back off the guy for Gods sake!

Re: Shattered Hopes DVD Review

Posted: Sun Jan 15, 2012 4:49 am
by sherbetbizarre
We are not attacking "him" as a person, we are questioning his work - ie Shattered Hopes.

His name keeps coming up because he seemingly did *everything* on that project.

Sure, Gerladine may come across as believable within the 2 hours you have seen - but Katzenbach refuses to address her ever-changing stories which stretch back to 1985, some of which I've seen first hand.

Like -
Trying to pass her kid off with Ronnie as a SON.
Constantly changing their marriage date.
Claiming she was at the crime-scene the day after.
You might benefit from reading some of our old scans, then reading Ric Osuna's book, and then watching Ryan's film.

And... wow... her story never matches up!

And then you have to ask, "how did we get to this point?"

And the man to ask is Ryan Katzenbach.

Re: Shattered Hopes DVD Review

Posted: Sun Jan 15, 2012 5:56 am
by Rokiisun
Hiya DLR, welcome to the board 8-)

I haven't seen any attacks, just comments and questions relating to both works 'The night the Defeos died' and
'Shattered Hopes' for the soul purpose of trying to approve or disapprove stories Geraldine has told about knowing the family, being married to Ronnie, having kids (I just found out about the son claim) with him and the mob ties etc.

I watched the documentary last night, I posted my detailed review here and I posted my shortened version over at the Shattered Hopes page and from what you'll see, I didn't find it all too bad at all, I actually enjoyed most of the filmmaking, editing, lighting and musical techniques which were used - sure, some shots were shaky but it's an independent release and those particular shots would have been hard to do.

The only thing which intrigues me is the necklace and the cherry bomb being thrown into the pool by Ronald Sr. whilst Geraldine, Ronnie and the family are inside. I have to ask, if this did happen, was it not possible that Ronald Sr. was doing this as a joke? As for the necklace, I believe there is truth in this story, but whether it was told to her personally by Ronnie or not... it's still pretty intriguing.

Re: Shattered Hopes DVD Review

Posted: Sun Jan 15, 2012 12:40 pm
by ScaryMary
:clap: My dvd came this morning and I was completely glued to my seat until all was finished including special features! Even my busy sons sat down and became ingrossed with the film. I had to keep pausing as my sons and husband kept commenting about how great it was and asking me more questions. This film is the very best I have ever seen on the DeFeos and the murders. The details are extrodinary and the first hand accounts from people who were there make you feel as though you to were a fly on the wall-no pun intended. For those of us who cherish the truth and cared about this family this film is a treasure trove of never before seen or shared information and pictures that introduces you to the family on a more familiar, compassionate level. I personally think that all of us know at least one family that resembles the DeFeos on some level, maybe even within our own walls. Ryan Katzenbach and Company have brought the family back to live like no one ever has, nor in my opinion, ever could. It took someone with the thirst for truth and justice for this family to give them voices and dementions beyond the rumors and lies. We find here a real family that we care about and find compassion for whilst being sickened by the family dynamics and dysfunction. There is no doubt in my mind that Ronnie Sr. was a very sick, deluded, conflicted man with grandioise visions of himself. Mr. Katzenbach has done a beautiful job, in his years of painstaking devotion to the truth and this family, of presenting the facts to us in precise detail from those who were there, and leaving us to decide for ourselves how we feel about this story. I have found that I am more sympathetic to Ronnie Jr. now than ever before. Not to say he is not where he belongs, but that I can now understand the pathology more clearly. There were so many oppertunities for things to have turned out differently, but the social norms of the 70's wee not the same or as stringent as they are today. The hyper religiousity of Ronnie Sr. is a true mental illness and to marry that thinking with the conflict he was living with while being devoutly religious, yet breaking all the commandments at the same time. This is a pot of brewing madness that suffocates all who live with it. There is no real mystery as to why things exploded as they finally did. My hat is off to Ryan Katzenbach and all who worked on this film. The music was great, the actors believable, the dialouge real, and the first hand accounts priceless. I was so impressed with Geraldine and her accounts. I find her to be sincere and truthful. My Lord, this woman has not recieved one red bloodied cent from anything related to the exploitaon of this family! I thank all who participated as it has finally told the truth of what happened and why. I feel this film speaks for itself and has put to shame all the detactors of the truth, Mr. Katzenbach and Geraldine. My mind is still turning as I write this, a lump still in my throat, and I wait with baited breath for the next installment! Thank you Katco Media for giving the truth to all of us who have cared since way back when this story first hit the media.

Re: Shattered Hopes DVD Review

Posted: Sun Jan 15, 2012 12:43 pm
by Dan the Damned
TheDLRbeeotch wrote:Shattered part 1 was fantastic.
Hi Brian Jasik. You already have an account here. There's no need to start up a fake one in order to pretend you are an impartial observer. Your quote of the movie being fantastic is already on the DVD cover, so your praise isn't much of a surprise to us here...
TheDLRbeeotch wrote:Theres nothing funny about hurtting another person...
Yeah? So when will you be removing that long rant from Ryan from your website? You remember -- the exceedingly long rant Ryan made against Sherb and myself which you saw fit to happily copy word for word. Or are you simply a hypocrite?
ScaryMary wrote:I feel this film speaks for itself and has put to shame all the detactors of the truth, Mr. Katzenbach and Geraldine.
Hi ScaryMary.

"Detractors of the truth?" Who would that be?

Re: Shattered Hopes DVD Review

Posted: Sun Jan 15, 2012 4:35 pm
by Nekromantik
I want to see this but cannot justify $18 + shipping.
From what I have read its hit or miss.
I do hope Ryan lets Amazon sell it after a few months so I can get it cheap.
Plus he has the cheek for charging $1 more for international orders! The extra cost of shipping to outside US would be reflected in the higher shipping cost only!

Re: Shattered Hopes DVD Review

Posted: Sun Jan 15, 2012 6:36 pm
by TheDLRbeeotch
LOL wasnt trying to start up a fake one.. Couldn't remember the username or password... :)

That was only one rant, I dont have an entire thread that goes back to God knows when, tearing someone down.. Plus you just incriminated yourself considering what I wrote never mentioned you or Sherb... But if you want to think I was talking about you and Sherb be my guest.

Re: Shattered Hopes DVD Review

Posted: Sun Jan 15, 2012 6:56 pm
by sherbetbizarre
Brian! How could you after all the publicity I've given your radio show! :P

So explain how we are meant to discuss the merits of Shat Hopes - or lack of - without mentioning its director or "star"?

Re: Shattered Hopes DVD Review

Posted: Sun Jan 15, 2012 7:17 pm
by Dan the Damned
TheDLRbeeotch wrote:Theres nothing funny about hurtting another person... You probably were all school yard bullies growing up...
Dan the Damned wrote:Yeah? So when will you be removing that long rant from Ryan from your website?
TheDLRbeeotch wrote:That was only one rant...
So it isn't the meanness that you object to, but rather how often it occurs?

Have you tallied up the mean remarks made by us and the mean remarks made by Ryan against us? Who's ahead? :think:
TheDLRbeeotch wrote:...you just incriminated yourself considering what I wrote never mentioned you or Sherb... But if you want to think I was talking about you and Sherb be my guest.
Not really my point who you were pointing the finger at. My point was to highlight the hypocrisy of your statement (it's bad to hurt someone unless you are the one doing the hurting).

In any case, if you truly care about the DeFeo case, we welcome you to stick around and discuss the merits of this film. It doesn't all have to be about Ryan Katzenbach...

Re: Shattered Hopes DVD Review

Posted: Sun Jan 15, 2012 7:40 pm
by TigresMeow
TheDLRbeeotch wrote: Oh and by the way, if you havent orderd the DVD because you are afraid that they will get your address and you will end up in court etc... You might as well order it anyway, becasuse after all this time, I'm sure they already know who you are and already have your addresses..
I believe this part is referring to me. I seriously doubt Ryan has my home address. I won't order the DVD because a friend of mine ordered it, watched it, then sent it to me so I could view it.

I have some comments to make about it but I will rewatch it just so I can be sure I didn't make a mistake in what I saw.

One thing tho. Geraldine should put her teeth in when she is on camera...that is very distracting. And Ryan does need to show the whole document of where he was getting quotes from.

And Peggy Giambra aka Juror #8. She can say what she wants on camera but evidently she thought the evidence presented was good enough for her to also vote Ronnie GUILTY beyond a reasonable doubt.

Re: Shattered Hopes DVD Review

Posted: Sun Jan 15, 2012 11:45 pm
by TheDLRbeeotch
The hypocrisy of my statement? Hey, I don't spend my day and night tearing down others, but when someone starts in on me or friends of mine on a regular basis I will defend them... And Ryan has every right to defend himself against your BS also.

Further more you're talking about something I posted on my website once a few years back, on one occasion. I don't have an entire website dedicated to the trashing of another and hiding behind the, "where not attacking him, where attacking his work etc etc." You make fake letters that Geraldine supposedly wrote, that by it self is no big deal but when you collect it all over the years it becomes a bit much..

Oh yeah, caring about the Defeo case and the family doesn't hinge on if I post on your board or not.

Re: Shattered Hopes DVD Review

Posted: Mon Jan 16, 2012 4:39 am
by sherbetbizarre
TheDLRbeeotch wrote:The hypocrisy of my statement? Hey, I don't spend my day and night tearing down others, but when someone starts in on me or friends of mine on a regular basis I will defend them... And Ryan has every right to defend himself against your BS also.
Of course he has every right to defend his work. But he doesn't. He attempts any means he can to silence us.

What does that tell you?

I don't have an entire website dedicated to the trashing of another and hiding behind the, "where not attacking him, where attacking his work etc etc."
Seriously, go back and read the other thread, then Ric's book, followed by Shat Hopes part 1. Then ask youself why so much was changed/omitted. Then ask Ryan and Geraldine why so much was changed/omitted.

You make fake letters that Geraldine supposedly wrote, that by it self is no big deal but when you collect it all over the years it becomes a bit much..
It's called satire, Brian.

If Shat Hopes is 100% airtight legit, it can handle a few jokes from a bunch of BS'ers, no?

Re: Shattered Hopes DVD Review

Posted: Mon Jan 16, 2012 7:20 am
by Dan the Damned
TheDLRbeeotch wrote:The hypocrisy of my statement? Hey, I don't spend my day and night tearing down others...
Sherb responded to your post better than I, but I just wanted to add a couple of points:

1) Your statement is hypocritical because you condemn the bullying of others, and yet condone it when it suits your purposes. You have swallowed Ryan's Kool-Aid. He can't defend certain statements, so he attempts to change the argument by complaining that we are harassing him.

2) This forum is about Amityville. Ryan's film is the newest, most current thing regarding Amityville, so naturally it's going to get a lot of attention from us. As it happens, it's getting bad attention because of the ridiculous things Ryan has said (on facebook, in interviews and on his various websites).

We are pretty much limited to this one website. We don't have a campaign going against Ryan -- we have a few discussion threads in a forum that contains hundreds of various threads. And yet the counter-evidence we present and the pointed questions we raise are threatening enough to Ryan for him to resort to repeated legal threats (and even blackmail) in a futile attempt to silence us.

That is what's going on here... We have dug into Geraldine's story for a decade now, and we think she's a lying piece of sh*t. Ryan says she is not, but when we try to discuss it, he clams up and says it will all be addressed in his film. Well that's the BS answer we got 10 years ago from Ric (that it would all be in his book). It wasn't in his book after all. Just an attempt to silence us at the time. And there is every indication that the same thing is happening again.

After all, just as Ryan says, Geraldine is ancillary to the story. So if that is the case, then validating her claim (of being married to Butch in the 1970s) wouldn't be a major part of Ryan's film. It wouldn't be a highlight or the "super secret ending" or anything. And if that is the case, then there is no reason for Ryan to make us wait for our answers by watching Part III of his film.

Indeed, you would think Ryan would want to discuss Geraldine in depth with us as part of his own investigation. To see if his validation of her was adequate. To see if he left any stones unturned. Because if he goes on record as saying Geraldine is the real deal, and the public finds out she is really just a fraud, then the public are gonna think Ryan is an incompetent boob for falling for her story hook, line and sinker. And that could damage his career more than any crap we can ever say...

Re: Shattered Hopes DVD Review

Posted: Mon Jan 16, 2012 9:58 am
by Howard64
From what I have read in this thread, it appears to
me that I would be better off putting the money I would spend
on this DVD into my Jeeps gas tank and go for a ride in the
country.

:dance:

Re: Shattered Hopes DVD Review

Posted: Mon Jan 16, 2012 10:15 am
by Deadguydan
HAHAHAHAHA!