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Re: Shattered Hopes DVD Review

Posted: Fri Jan 06, 2012 3:41 pm
by KNEW910
I just quickly went through the film. I will watch it in full another time. My copy came today. To my
surprise I opened it up and guess what comes out of the case. Strong Tabacco odors. I still cant get
the smell out. Gerri was attractive back in the day. Key word here is WAS. Anyways to much
polishing on Ric's mole. Gosh it's still in my mind. ew. Also I think the pictures went off the screen
to fast and some photos were alittle to sharpened. The color back in the 70's wow. We sure have
come along way. I cant say much more. I need to sit down and actually watch the film. Agree or
disagree with Ryan he worked hard on this for many years. His viewpoint may not be ours but
this is his work and he diserves credit for his work. The work of putting this film together , finding
people who actually knew the defeos and was there. Getting documents , photographs , etc.

Yes Gerri is a fraud and Osuna is a another one.

Re: Shattered Hopes DVD Review

Posted: Fri Jan 06, 2012 4:21 pm
by kathyM
Oh yeah, Geraldine chain smoking through the whole documentary is not a pretty sight.

Geraldine also made Ronnie out to be the happily married family man living (in a pretty nice house) with her and her kids and Big Ronnie makes him come home part time. The deal is Ronnie will live part time at home and part time with Geraldine. What? Yeah right. I seriously think Geraldine is delusional and she is just quoting Ronnie on everything she says.

Re: Shattered Hopes DVD Review

Posted: Fri Jan 06, 2012 5:27 pm
by sherbetbizarre
It makes sense now why people said Gerri was the "star" of the piece.

But why spend the last few months playing down her role if she has such a big part?
KNEW910 wrote:My copy came today. To my surprise I opened it up and guess what comes out of the case. Strong Tabacco odors. I still cant get the smell out.
Hey, don't diss the home-made independent touch!

Oh boy! :doh:

Re: Shattered Hopes DVD Review

Posted: Fri Jan 06, 2012 5:50 pm
by Rokiisun
fan wrote:I want to ask, will there be a dvd release in the UK? As I am eagerly awaiting the opportunity to watch this
To then get this reply:
SHATTERED HOPES: THE TRUE STORY OF THE AMITYVILLE MURDERS wrote:It's only available at present from our website, at http://www.shattereddocumentary.com
To then respond with:
fan wrote:If it's ok, I'll wait until it hits our HMV stores, I find it much easier that way
:fp: Frustrating, much?

Re: Shattered Hopes DVD Review

Posted: Fri Jan 06, 2012 6:02 pm
by sherbetbizarre
Lol, I can't see it hitting HMV anytime soon...

Re: Shattered Hopes DVD Review

Posted: Fri Jan 06, 2012 7:24 pm
by sherbetbizarre
A couple of comments on Facebook...
You seem to present Butch as the victim and almost feel sorry for him.
One thing I didnt like was that it made Ronnie almost out to be a hero, loving family man, and great husband. Most of the stuff I have read was that he was fairly mean and a complete druggie
If only Tracey was still married to him, she might have liked this doc!

Re: Shattered Hopes DVD Review

Posted: Fri Jan 06, 2012 8:11 pm
by KNEW910
Has anyone notice Anthony Gangitano mention that he learned about Gerri through this film?

Re: Shattered Hopes DVD Review

Posted: Fri Jan 06, 2012 8:21 pm
by sherbetbizarre
This is Marc's best friend? And he says this on camera?

Re: Shattered Hopes DVD Review

Posted: Fri Jan 06, 2012 8:51 pm
by KNEW910
sherbetbizarre wrote:This is Marc's best friend? And he says this on camera?

Yes Marc's best friend from the football team. This is in the Special Features part. He
is saying : I ----- realise how much uh that ronnie had a uh wife Geraldine.

I cant make out what he is saying after I. Anyways then he goes on saying that he learned
alot about tthe defeos that he didnt know.

Re: Shattered Hopes DVD Review

Posted: Fri Jan 06, 2012 9:05 pm
by TigresMeow
That is odd that Marc's best friend didn't know about Geraldine? Maybe someone else who has a copy of the DVD can watch that part and make out what he said after "I."

Re: Shattered Hopes DVD Review

Posted: Sat Jan 07, 2012 7:53 am
by sherbetbizarre
According to Luara Didio...
In conversations with family friends, relatives and neighbors it seems that the DeFeos were convinced that there were forces beyond their control in the house. Ronald DeFeo Sr. had a priest come in and say a Catholic mass in the house and I am told with all the windows shut, a wind came up and blew out the candles. DeFeo didn’t stop with the masses, he got statues of saints and placed them on the front lawn and bought tulip plants. All the plants died except for the one that was planted for DeFeo’s daughter Allison.
...is this brought up? Disputed?

Re: Shattered Hopes DVD Review

Posted: Sat Jan 07, 2012 10:01 am
by KNEW910
Save your money unless you are a fan of Ric's "The Night The Defeos Died" What happened to the rest of the story
from Anthony Gangitano that was promised? Well the teaser was his entire story. That DVD Menu is pathetic. you
cant even fast forward to the main menu. You have to watch scenes floating in a small rectangular box. So annnoying.
These scenes are in the film whats the purpose of this crazy menu? The only sources from this film worth listening
to is the Gangitanos and maybe Roger. The rest is all crap. The same crap/lies we heard before. All from Ronnie's mouth.
Dont be mislead by the teasers. Yes they show some never before seen pictures of the Defeo's. In the film there are not
many other photos then what was seen in the trailers. The only extra photos are Ronnie SR , Gloria , and louise walking
out of what looks like to be a church in Canada. This photo was taken at a distance. you cant really see their faces. There
were a few others like pictures of the outside of Canada where the Defeos were visiting with Gloria. There was one Crime
Scene photo of Marc face up on the bed. Other then those photos the rest of the never before seen photos were in the
trailers. Again , It's all Ric's book except for the Gangitanos. Gerri has a major part in this film. She's on the soap box
chain smoking and smerking all the way. Ric is on there too with his mole polished.

Re: Shattered Hopes DVD Review

Posted: Sat Jan 07, 2012 12:59 pm
by Mary23
I watched some teasers on youtube and the truth is that I am not very impressed ... what I saw is the same that we already know , I think that the new stuff could be some pictures of the Defeo family but anyway I want to see the documentary I cant say now if this is very bad or not because I just watched some teasers and its not enough for do a whole critic . I also was reading some comments on the official facebook page and I saw the response of the comment that said "One thing I didnt like was that it made Ronnie almost out to be a hero, loving family man, and great husband. Most of the stuff I have..." and the response said "The basis of the basement scene was Ric Osuna's interview with Ronnie DeFeo in November 2000. These were the events that Ronnie told Ric when he recounted the sequence of that night. Are there any discrepancies in the story? You'll have to hang on for Part II and III to see where this is going." so yes definetely we have to see the parts II and III and yes the film is based on the book so nothing new to see ....

Apart of all those things , I think that we are not going to see new things about what happend on amityville soon , if we watch new things soon we are going to see the same of the books , the same testimony of Geraldine and the same about the Lutz family because Ronnie is crazy and dont want to tell the whole true and we dont know someone who can to look for friends of the Defeo Family and do a documentary with new things and more details about the life of the family and well sometimes is pretty difficult to do this kind of things because we dont know if all the friends of the family want to speak or not .

Re: Shattered Hopes DVD Review

Posted: Sat Jan 07, 2012 1:52 pm
by Rokiisun
I think the only thing we really can do is look through all of Ronnie's interviews, trials and parole scripts to work out an individual theory into what happened that night. As for the family's lifestyle and background, we have to rely on those who were there before and after the murders took place.

Sure, maybe Geraldine wasn't there before the murders, but like others have said - if she had all that time with Ronnie after the murders to learn importaint details from him about what went on in that house before the murders, then surely there must be some truth in what she is saying, even if she wasn't really there, even if it's spawned from Ronnie's mouth. I was also wondering, have any family members or friends of the Defeo's (other than Linnea) hit out at not knowing Geraldine before the murders?

The other thing I have noticed is that Clarice is friends with Gloria on FB. Why would Gloria and Geraldine have this contact with each other? :think: Do you think this has anything to do with what's to come in parts II and III?

Re: Shattered Hopes DVD Review

Posted: Sat Jan 07, 2012 3:27 pm
by Taylor95
Well, I have to say that I'm thoroughly disappointed. I am almost done with the movie and I had to turn it off because I just feel in my bones that most of this is BS and I found myself profoundly annoyed. First off, it is mentioned in the beginning that Geraldine is questionable but then Ric confirms his confidence that she is genuine because of the heart pendant story. I'm married...I've heard stories about my wife's family for a few years...I could certainly repeat them as though I was there...but I wasn't. I just don't buy a couple of simple stories as evidence that she married him. I'm sure he imparted plenty of stories when they were together in the 80's.

Secondly, her credibility is never addressed...that lack of a marriage license, the affidavit's, etc...so we're supposed to just accept that she's for real? That's certainly the impression that I got...especially that she does almost all the talking for the rest of the film.

Ronnie Jr is made to be a tremendously sympathetic character. His father demands he murders his grandfather? Oh please, I don't buy that for a second. He's this wonderful family man whose father barges into his NJ home to drag him back to Amityville? Again, I don't buy it for a minute and I resent that this family is so denigrated to Ron Jr's benefit.

The grainy "70's" look annoyed me...and I think it was used in a not-so-subtle way to lend credence to the storytellers. The actors were awful and dialogue made the DeFeo's ridiculous.

I did like the pictures...but there weren't enough to make up for what I didn't like...and I didn't see one photo of Ron Jr and Geri together...I guess grandpa destroyed all those in an effort to cover up the marriage, right?

I really was hoping this would be an interesting watch...but it really felt to me that two people were totally suckered by a fraud and now their trying to convince the rest of us.

Re: Shattered Hopes DVD Review

Posted: Sat Jan 07, 2012 3:38 pm
by sherbetbizarre
Cheers for the review!
Taylor95 wrote:Secondly, her credibility is never addressed...that lack of a marriage license, the affidavit's, etc...so we're supposed to just accept that she's for real?
Ryan did say this film would address every negative point thrown at Geraldine. But I guess you have to wait until Part III for that?

The grainy "70's" look annoyed me...and I think it was used in a not-so-subtle way to lend credence to the storytellers.

Do they keep the "grindhouse" look for all the dramatizations?

Re: Shattered Hopes DVD Review

Posted: Sat Jan 07, 2012 5:37 pm
by sherbetbizarre
KNEW910 wrote:That DVD Menu is pathetic. you cant even fast forward to the main menu. You have to watch scenes floating in a small rectangular box. So annnoying. These scenes are in the film whats the purpose of this crazy menu?
From last year -
SHATTERED HOPES: THE TRUE STORY OF THE AMITYVILLE MURDERS wrote:Shattered's DVD, Part I, is set up with 33 chapters. We didn't create a separate "Chapter Menu" on the DVD, but the chapters are defined in the 4 page insert that accompanies the DVD, and any DVD remote should guide you from chapter to chapter with great ease.

Re: Shattered Hopes DVD Review

Posted: Sat Jan 07, 2012 8:15 pm
by Taylor95
sherbetbizarre wrote:Cheers for the review!
Taylor95 wrote:Secondly, her credibility is never addressed...that lack of a marriage license, the affidavit's, etc...so we're supposed to just accept that she's for real?
Ryan did say this film would address every negative point thrown at Geraldine. But I guess you have to wait until Part III for that?
The grainy "70's" look annoyed me...and I think it was used in a not-so-subtle way to lend credence to the storytellers.

Do they keep the "grindhouse" look for all the dramatizations?
Don't know if I could stomach two more segments...

Yes on the grindhouse look.

Re: Shattered Hopes DVD Review

Posted: Sun Jan 08, 2012 6:04 am
by sherbetbizarre
This is one quote from Ryan I think we should follow - any further reviews please concentrate on what comes out of their mouths, which I'm sure is far worse than how they look, cheers!
SHATTERED HOPES: THE TRUE STORY OF THE AMITYVILLE MURDERS wrote:Gerri's story is best told by HER in her own words. I see the other camp has already resorted to physical attacks upon her appearance as well as Ric Osuna's birthmark.

Re: Shattered Hopes DVD Review

Posted: Sun Jan 08, 2012 6:59 am
by sherbetbizarre
SHATTERED HOPES: THE TRUE STORY OF THE AMITYVILLE MURDERS wrote:I do believe Ger for so many reasons. Were they married? We can argue about that for days. Are there a lot of contradictory documents as to her claims? You bet! Was she Genovese....you bet your ass. Was she everything she claimed in terms of her family having the juice to make her disappear? Hell yes. What is left behind is a plethora of documents that do exactly what her "family" and others involved wanted to happen...to erase her varacity as Mrs. DeFeo. Therefore, today...its her word against our detractors, who honestly, have not lived this story as I have, have not had those "OMG" moments I have had and know nothing of what really happened. But I think Part Ii....and eventually....III are going to destroy their naive, fact wanting assertions that yheir truth is the only truth. It's sad that some people are so friggin' stupid that they take a document, assess it at face value, and declare it as truth without understanding what was going on behind the scenes.
Any sign of the "plethora of documents" in Part 1?

Re: Shattered Hopes DVD Review

Posted: Sun Jan 08, 2012 7:20 am
by TigresMeow
It is my opinion that Ryan can start posting some "teaser" evidence. And I have yet to hear any explanation from the "other camp", borrowing Ryan's expression, about the documents showing Geraldine to be a fraud and/or liar that have been posted on this site.

One of the documents I have seen on this site shows Geraldine's affadavit stating she lied and I have seen on this site another document stating Geraldine lied in that affadavit. Whichever document you wish to believe, one of these two particular documents proves that Geraldine doesn't have a problem with lying. Since Ryan has claimed to be unbiased, so to speak, I am patiently waiting for an explanation on that.

Does Geraldine have "ties" to the Genovese family? It's possible but Ryan needs to remember that other people exist that also have "ties" to the Genovese family also.

I sincerely hope that the people that view Part I do some research themselves into the DeFeo murders. This website has alot of information on it and I hope some from the "other camp" take the time and look at it so they may ask questions (if they have any) and form their own opinion. From what I am reading from people who have seen Part I and have done some of their own research, it doesn't sound like this is an unbiased film at all. But this is only my opinion.