Geraldine not existing as Ronnie's wife

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Geraldine not existing as Ronnie's wife

Postby msmart112 » Sun Oct 23, 2011 12:52 pm

From TNTDD...

Ric Osuna and Geraldine Gates wrote:On her way out of the jail, Geraldine met up with Rocco DeFeo and Michael Brigante Sr. She recalled, "Immediately upon seeing me, Mike and Rocco pushed me into a phone booth. They told me I had to be careful and that I had to stop being Butch’s wife. When I asked why, they told me their connections informed them that the cops had realized that it was an impossibility that Butch could have killed everyone alone. They had felt that a female had to have kept the kids quiet, so they were beginning to feel they needed to find an accomplice. Big Mike and Rocco did not want to risk the cops implicating me, so they told me I no longer existed as Butch’s wife."


...and also according to TNTDD...this alleged event occurred on Friday, November 15th...just after Geraldine had visited Ronnie.

But if Geraldine had JUST visited Ronnie in jail...how could "erasing" her marriage to Ronnie have helped?

Surely the police would have known that it was Ronnie's wife who had visited him.

And...Geraldine even admitted to having been questioned by the police...

Ric Osuna and Geraldine Gates wrote:Geraldine said, “I was shown these large puff-tent pants when I was questioned by the police. They said the pants were Butch’s. Of course, I opened my big mouth and said they were nuts because Butch wore small pants. Dawn was the large one.” According to Geraldine, the pants she was shown disappeared, never to be seen again.


...so again...according to Geraldine herself...the police would have already known about her.

Then we get...

Ric Osuna and Geraldine Gates wrote:According to sources, there was a meeting that took place at a race track between representatives of the Colombo and Genovese crime families. Since the Genovese family had the best hit men around, it is reported that the Colombos wanted to use one of the hit men to kill Butch. Although the request was denied, the Genovese family agreed to assist with getting rid of any trace that Butch and Geraldine had been married. After all, Geraldine’s family and friends were concerned about her safety as much as Michael Brigante Sr. was. This alleged meeting fit perfectly with what my Suffolk County deep throat source told me. He said, "Money and power can make anything disappear."


...so after being ordered to cease being Ronnie’s wife...and after all the work of the mafia to destroy every trace that Ronnie and Geraldine had been married...not only did Geraldine show up at the memorial service...

Ric Osuna and Geraldine Gates wrote:On November 17, 1974, three days after Butch DeFeo had reportedly confessed to killing his entire family, a memorial service was held for the six DeFeos at the Boyd Funeral Home in Deer Park. “Upon entering the chapel, you became weak at the knees from seeing the six wooden coffins in front of you,” Geraldine DeFeo recalled.


...but less than a year later...she showed up in Amityville to meet with George, Kathy and William Weber...

Ric Osuna and Geraldine Gates wrote:Although she disagreed with Weber’s plan, Geraldine was asked to help convince Butch that he had to act unstable. So sometime in the fall, she accompanied Weber to a bar in Amityville to meet the Lutzes.


...yeah...no better way to "not be Ronnie’s wife" than to meet three people at a bar in Amityville as Ronnie’s wife.

And from here...

Ric Osuna and Geraldine Gates wrote:Since Butch was forced to tell the police about the Brooklyn sewer, it stands to reason that if he knew where Bobby had discarded the rifle, then he would have told them. Thus, the divers would not have taken until 11:48 a.m. on the second day of searching to retrieve it.

So the question is, did Bobby tell the police where he threw the rifle? Geraldine said, “Bobby wanted me to give Butch a message in jail. He told me to tell Butch that he didn’t tell the cops where he threw the rifle.”


...and here...

Ric Osuna and Geraldine Gates wrote:Despite being in jail awaiting trial for the murder of his family, Butch wanted his friend to smuggle him in drugs. Geraldine, who told Bobby about Butch’s request, said, “Bobby refused to do it because he was afraid he would get caught. This put even more strain on Butch and Bobby’s friendship. Butch felt Bobby owed him because Bobby should have been in jail right along with him.”

Although Kelske informed Geraldine that he would not smuggle in drugs for Butch, Kelske gave her a message to tell Butch to “shut up about the veranda doors.”


...we have Bobby Kelske...on two separate occasions...asking Geraldine to relay a message to Ronnie in jail.

But again...if Geraldine was supposed to "not exist as Ronnie's wife"...why would she have continued to visit Ronnie in jail?

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Re: Geraldine not existing as Ronnie's wife

Postby Dan the Damned » Sun Oct 23, 2011 3:17 pm

Wow! Don't know how I missed that in Ric's book. So Geraldine admits to being questioned by the police. Therefore the police knew she was Ronnie's wife! Therefore there was no reason for the mafia to destroy all evidence of her and Ronnie being married. It was already part of the official record!

I wonder if this will be addressed in Ryan's film. Pretty major discrepancy in Geraldine's story. Probably the biggest one to date... :think:
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Re: Geraldine not existing as Ronnie's wife

Postby TigresMeow » Sun Oct 23, 2011 5:05 pm

Wow.
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Re: Geraldine not existing as Ronnie's wife

Postby msmart112 » Sun Oct 23, 2011 8:31 pm

From the foreword of TNTDD...

Geraldine Gates wrote:Since the DeFeo murders, I have had to remain silent and hidden, partly out of fear for my children and partly out of respect for those who went to such great lengths to make sure I was not unjustly implicated in the crime.


...so remaining silent and hidden involved attending the DeFeo visitation...visiting Ronnie in jail (on numerous occassions)...and meeting with George, Kathy, and William Weber at a bar in Amityville?

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And if Geraldine had to remain silent and hidden until TNTDD was first published in 2002...then why did she give an interview to a Newsday reporter in 1986?

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Re: Geraldine not existing as Ronnie's wife

Postby TigresMeow » Sun Oct 23, 2011 8:59 pm

This is what I don't get. Ronnie and Geraldine tell Ric Osuna a story of what supposedly happened the night of the murders and how life was in the DeFeo family. Ric claims he independently verified this story yet produced no evidence in his book. We all know Ronnie lies yet we are supposed to believe the story he told Ric was the TRUTH??? How many times has Ronnie changed his story since then??

Geraldine claims that the "mafia" erased all records of her marriage to Ronnie. I am laughing so hard at this. Geraldine really should think twice about what she is saying about that. She doesn't know who is reading/listening. Not wise to let an alligator mouth overrun a hummingbird arse.

It's funnier that there is evidence out there that some people lied during this time. Even Geraldine herself admitted to lying about some things. And those affadavits? HA! Yet some people hang on her every word.

I think Geraldine was given enough rope that she hung herself. How can anyone possibly take her seriously? Does she, or Ronnie for that matter, even know what the TRUTH is? I don't think so.

All of the above is my opinion.






p.s. i wonder if the lambs have stopped screaming yet
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Re: Geraldine not existing as Ronnie's wife

Postby sherbetbizarre » Mon Oct 24, 2011 3:37 am

TigresMeow wrote:Geraldine really should think twice about what she is saying about that. She doesn't know who is reading/listening.


Unfortunately a couple of guys with egos big enough to try and mass-market her tales were listening... all in the memory of the DeFeo's, RIP. :(
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Re: Geraldine not existing as Ronnie's wife

Postby Victoria Principles » Mon Oct 24, 2011 6:52 am

If Geraldine was married to Ronnie Jr. at the time of the murders, then why was Ronnie still living at home? Why didn't any of Ronnie's friends know about the marriage?
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Re: Geraldine not existing as Ronnie's wife

Postby TigresMeow » Mon Oct 24, 2011 7:12 am

sherbetbizarre wrote:
TigresMeow wrote:Geraldine really should think twice about what she is saying about that. She doesn't know who is reading/listening.


Unfortunately a couple of guys with egos big enough to try and mass-market her tales were listening... all in the memory of the DeFeo's, RIP. :(



That's the sad part of it all Sherb. With all of what has been said about this family, no one really knows what went on behind closed doors except one person. And that one person is in prison and has a long track record of lying. All this talk about abuse is being said about a murder victim.

I just don't understand why some people just won't let the murdered DeFeo's rest in peace.
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Re: Geraldine not existing as Ronnie's wife

Postby Dan the Damned » Mon Oct 24, 2011 9:07 am

Victoria Principles wrote:If Geraldine was married to Ronnie Jr. at the time of the murders, then why was Ronnie still living at home? Why didn't any of Ronnie's friends know about the marriage?

Not only Ronnie's friends, but the housekeeper never knew about her, either:

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Re: Geraldine not existing as Ronnie's wife

Postby msmart112 » Mon Oct 24, 2011 2:10 pm

Dan the Damned wrote:
Victoria Principles wrote:If Geraldine was married to Ronnie Jr. at the time of the murders, then why was Ronnie still living at home? Why didn't any of Ronnie's friends know about the marriage?

Not only Ronnie's friends, but the housekeeper never knew about her, either:

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So Linnea Nonnewitz...who worked for the DeFeo family from 1969 until the time of the murders...FIRST met Geraldine in 1985?

Imagine that.

That's similar to what John Carswell had to say in a statement he made on March 30, 1990...

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...here is his full statement...

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Re: Geraldine not existing as Ronnie's wife

Postby sherbetbizarre » Mon Oct 24, 2011 5:24 pm

msmart112 wrote:...so again...according to Geraldine herself...the police would have already known about her.


According to one of her emails she sent me, they sure did...

From: ********@aol.com
Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2002 17:42:17 EST
To: sherbetbizarre@nme.com
Subject: barry dee book

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Reading your post again
My God where did that man get his info from?
Almost every date is wrong.
Butch told Jacob Zigfried not to plead him in sane.
The cops said someone the kids knew had to be in the room with them to keep them quiet, and said it was me Dawn, Bobby, or Frank.
Barry Springer was questioned for 4 hours and never beaten up
Frank was questioned for 7 hours and never beaten up.
ONLY BUTCH AND BOBBY WERE BEATEN UP.
No one else was beaten up
Det. Harrison pushed me down by the grave
Rafferty and Dunn grabbed me pushed me out at the grave
Det. Harrison threatened me all the time Rafferty and Dunn only a few times.
Det. Harrison told me i was going to jail with butch all the time.
How could he talk to his drug crazed friends when none of them live in Amityville any more and not have for years?
Frank Chuck and Billy live in Fla.
Barry lives in blue point long island and wants money to talk.
No, Richard Romomdoe is real
Billy Davidge lives in fla and his wife is the one who does not know any of this.
Some of the stuff is right but a lot is messed up.
He never talked to my daughter Stacy she told him over the phone she could not give him my address and she had nothing to say.
Jason this is all very funny
Well get back to me with your questions IM sure you have some and the book is out now.
How did you find Berry d book and get it so fast?
How is your weather?
It is cold as ice in New York.
Take care L GER


Cannot wait to see the following dramatized in Shat Hopes...

Det. Harrison pushed me down by the grave
Rafferty and Dunn grabbed me pushed me out at the grave
Det. Harrison threatened me all the time Rafferty and Dunn only a few times.
Det. Harrison told me i was going to jail with butch all the time.
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