Who wrote the book sampled here?

[msmart112]

I gave you evidence, but your rebuttal has been to the tune pf "they are lying", "the psychiatrists are incompetent", "the media is embellishing the story to sell newspapers".

Your evidence has hardly been convincing...and in some cases...it didn’t even exist.

I never said that the psychiatrists were incompetent. I said that they were working with what Ronnie gave them (while he was trying to convince them that he was crazy).

As for the lying...over the years...numerous friends have admitted lying for Ronnie.

Here is a post from someone who had run in with Sr. as a costumer at the Buick dealership.

Wow...some post on some message board by some person named hip. Now THAT’S a reliable source of information!

Again, have you ever talked to anyone who knew the DeFeos?

Why does that matter?

Here is a portion of a letter to Newsday (published on April 18, 1986). It was written by Adele Fagan...the mother of Grace Fagan (who was Dawn’s best friend). She was writing in response to the article that you mentioned earlier in this thread...

This challenging child who grew into a merciless killer came from a loving family who tried to love him. They weren't perfect, they fought a lot and probably gave their children too much too soon. But they also had an abiding religious faith, friends and family who shared their dreams and aspirations. Like the sign hung in their yard, they had "High Hopes."

I was not as close to the family as my daughter was. But I do know that the picture of them drawn by the poor soul who destroyed them is false.

...that tells me all I need to know...that the DeFeos were a very normal family. Much like my own family...we weren’t perfect...we fought a lot...but we had religious faith...and lots of friends and family.

And even if I did speak to someone who knew the family...and that person denied the abuse claims...you would just dismiss that person as trying to protect the reputation of the family.

Kinda like you did here...

viewtopic.php?f=9&t=5699

This guy could easily be saying this to protect the reputaion of the family.

So some former Amityville cop calls Mr. DeFeo a scumbag...and you think that's evidence that Mr. DeFeo abused Mrs. DeFeo, Dawn, Allison, Marc, and John.

But when a former neighbor (who lived two houses away) emphatically states that Mr. DeFeo was NOT abusive...you just dismiss it.

[Victoria Principles]

I think people tend to sanctify the ones that have passed.

Why it is so hard to believe that Ronald Sir. was an abusive man?
I wouldn't have killed my father if he was a saint. i wouldn't have
killed my whole family if it wasn't pure mess. I really believe that
there was a lot of trouble going on in that house and that Ronnie grew
up being spoiled and at the same time abused (mentally and physically).

I'm in no way defending him. He deserves the worst for what he did.
But just because a person is dead he doesn't become a saint.

Did you ever even for a second, think that the murders happened because Sr told Jr that the theft at the car dealership was going to be solved??? And ronnie, being the scum that he is killed them all because it was easier than getting busted???? It wasn't until the defense had no other options before they tried to declare insanity/possession. Try this, okay....do some research yourself. Research WHEN the abuse claim came into play. Then look at the evidence of Jr's behavior including the alleged misfire of the rifle that Jr. had pointed at Sr. , then all the other evidence/character of Jr himself. It's not rocket science you know.


EVEN if Sr WAS abusive to the extent as you claim, people all over the freaking planet have the same issues...but DONT kill their entire family. Parents? yes. but the whole family???? Um...no. Jr was a f*up unit from birth. Period. And insanely abusive to himself and others. If his excuse was abuse, then the extent of what "abuse" he claims must of been so bad EVERYONE would of known. And the fact is, maam, is that the evidence is clear. There is no proof of any abuse other than what was needed to control an obviously disturbed man. IMO if Jr had his royal ass kicked more often, the AH would of never happened.

Shawnee boy,

If Jr. got his ass kicked more often, the AH still would have happened. Perhaps you should do more research on the subject of the effects on children from abusive households.
http://www.mujereslatinasenaccion.org/Effects%20on%20Children%201.html

Shawnee, There is talk about the abuse in the DeFeo all over the internet and the media, even the pre-internet media. Many people don't know everything that goes on in their friends or relatives households. Back in the 50's to early 70's, child and spousal abuse just wasn't discussed or investigated much. Everything was hush, hush, especially among Italian families. You probably weren't even around this era. You have no idea what life was like then.

[Shawn]

And yet you still decline to back up your claims, VickEE. Why is that VickEEEEEE? I'm asking for you to show me the way, but you are so obtuse it's borderline annoying.

How about this, show just something to back it up. Anything. I'm willing to listen. Until then.....

BTW, i meant no insult in calling you "Vicky" Its easier to type and am sorry if it offended you. but you calling me Shawneeee is a bit childish, isn't it? kind of hard if you want others to take you seriously.

And btw, Victoria Principals, get off your pedestal. You have no idea who reads this board that was abused. That's something to ponder on, you think? You have no idea IF I myself was abused and raised in an abusive Italian household. Do you? no, you don't.

[TigresMeow]

You probably weren't even around this era. You have no idea what life was like then.

I was around in that era. No, I wasn't raised in an Italian family. Things were different back then. Kids were raised with discipline. The things I witnessed and was a part of back in the day prolly would be called "abuse" today. Then again, people are all for making excuses for their actions. I don't think Ronnie possibly being "abused" had anything to do with what he did. Ronnie is paying for his crime - end of story. It really doesn't matter WHY he did it, the fact is he did do it, got caught, and is paying the consequences for his actions. I think it's sad that some people feel the need to paint one of the victims as a bad guy in order to justify in their own mind what happened.

Sad.

[Howard64]

very interesting way of looking at it Kat.

[kathyM]

Victoria, how do we know you arent lying? How do we know you really have talked to people who knew the DeFeos? I can say I have talked to several people who knew the DeFeos personally but it doesnt make it so just because I say it.

[Shawn]

You probably weren't even around this era. You have no idea what life was like then.

wow. I'm 41 right now
...Damn, Virgina, I'm so glad that you came here to inform me I wasn't around then. Tell me Victoria...how old are you?

[TigresMeow]

very interesting way of looking at it Kat.

Well, Howard, I sometimes get the impression from some of the posts, that people are trying to make an excuse for what Ronnie did. Like it's a little less horrendous if Ron Sr. is painted as an "abuser." If Ron Sr. did in fact abuse his family, he still didn't deserve to be murdered in his bed. I could see it if Ronnie just killed his father but he didn't....he killed his whole family. While they were sleeping or barely awake. Then he calmly showers and gets ready for work like he doesn't have a care in the world, while his slaughtered family lie in their beds.

No one knows what went on behind closed doors at the DeFeo home. Not the neighbors, co-workers, housekeeper, friends, family priest, Geraldine or anyone. The only person who knows is a proven liar.