Who wrote the book sampled here?

[Shawn]

BTW...any luck finding those YouTube videos that you’ve been talking about for years?

[Victoria Principles]

BTW...any luck finding those YouTube videos that you’ve been talking about for years?

Those videos are no longer on YouTube due to copyright issues. Just like you don't find many videos about Amityville or paranormal shows like A Haunting that was on the Discovery Channel.

The video you are referring to on YouTube is the same cop who was in the Village Voice article. He said the same thing on the video that he said in the article, he could see why Jr. shot Sr. because both were scum.

[msmart112]

Those videos are no longer on YouTube due to copyright issues.

[msmart112]

The only book I've seen where it says there wasn't a portrait of Louise DeFeo is in Christopher Berry-Dee's book.

Good catch, Kat.

From Sole Survivor (1990)...

Appropriately for such a paternalistic family, there was no portrait of the mother, Louise.

...and from Berry-Dee's Talking With Serial Killers (2003)...

Appropriately perhaps for such a paternalistic family, there was no portrait of the mother, Louise.

...so he simply added the word "perhaps"...and then claimed the work as his own.

[annyecarol]

What about Sir Ronald not being Butch's genuine father? Any sense in that?

[Victoria Principles]

Those videos are no longer on YouTube due to copyright issues.

I guess the copyright issue on YouTube must be my imagination:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vyarpcoreSE&feature=related

[msmart112]

Those videos are no longer on YouTube due to copyright issues.

I guess the copyright issue on YouTube must be my imagination:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vyarpcoreSE&feature=related

So you talk about this video for over two and a half years...and then finally post it once it's no longer available?

How convenient.

November 17, 2008...

DeFeo Sr. was a brute who beat his kids, including Jr. Both father and son were hated and mistrusted in Amityville. This backs up to what one of the investigators said about the father and son in some documentary floating around on Youtube.

November 25, 2008...

DeFeo was a brute as even some of the detectives even stated. There is one detective on some Youtube video who said that DeFeo Sr. was as big of an SOB as Jr.

July 2, 2010...

There is a YouTube video featuring a cop who knew the family and investigated the case who said he could understand why if Ron Sr. was the only murder victim and described both Ron Sr. and Ron Jr. as punks.

January 14, 2011...

There was a cop who appeared on Youtube who investigated the crime and knew the family before hand. He said both Ron Sr. and Jr. were punks. But you can't convince some of the people here who are the PC type. The DeFeos sounded like they were a very disfunctional family.

[Victoria Principles]

Features the same police officer mentioned in this article mentioned in another thread.
http://www.villagevoice.com/content/printVersion/505548/

[Victoria Principles]

What about Sir Ronald not being Butch's genuine father? Any sense in that?

Never heard that. I read Louise was pregnant with Ronnie before they got married (big no-no) for Roman Catholic families.

[Victoria Principles]

MSSmart,

Here is some more interesting information from Newsday and the Nonnewitz family in regards to Ronald Senior.

The father's violence was common knowledge. He was a powerfully built man of about 280 pounds, and he often used that bulk on his wife, DeFeo and others said. Roger Nonnewitz, Beverly's father, said: "It must have been hell for the people living there with this man." William Weber, who represented DeFeo at the trial, agreed. "It was the most crazy family you could imagine," said Weber.

The fight was triggered by Dawn's desire to move to Florida to be with her boyfriend, DeFeo claims. Before the murders, Dawn spoke to a classmate, Beverly Nonnewitz, whose mother cleaned the DeFeo house. She asked Nonnewitz to take her with her to Florida. "She asked me numerous times," Nonnewitz said in a recent interview.

I guess these Nonnewitz family must be lying. Newsday must be part of the conspiracy. Frank Davidge was lying. Officer Pat Cammaroto is lying.

Have you ever talked to anyone in the Amityville area who knew the DeFeo family? I have. All to a T said both father and son were trouble. I guess they must be lying too.

[msmart112]

I guess these Nonnewitz family must be lying.

Where did Linnea or Roger Nonnewitz ever say anything about Mr. DeFeo ever striking his wife or his children?

Roger Nonnewitz stating that "it must have been hell for the people living there with this man" does not infer anything about physical abuse. Nor does Pat Cammaroto saying that Mr. DeFeo was a scumbag infer anything about physical abuse.

And once I found out that Mr. and Mrs. Nonnewitz had been a part of Ronnie’s "BS affidavit" game...to me...their credibility was shot.

As for Frank Davidge...I do indeed think he was lying...

viewtopic.php?f=9&t=7890&p=116723&hilit=frank#p116723

Have you ever talked to anyone in the Amityville area who knew the DeFeo family? I have. All to a T said both father and son were trouble.

Well I guess that ends the debate.

[annyecarol]

I think people tend to sanctify the ones that have passed.

Why it is so hard to believe that Ronald Sir. was an abusive man?
I wouldn't have killed my father if he was a saint. i wouldn't have
killed my whole family if it wasn't pure mess. I really believe that
there was a lot of trouble going on in that house and that Ronnie grew
up being spoiled and at the same time abused (mentally and physically).

I'm in no way defending him. He deserves the worst for what he did.
But just because a person is dead he doesn't become a saint.

[Victoria Principles]

I guess these Nonnewitz family must be lying.

Where did Linnea or Roger Nonnewitz ever say anything about Mr. DeFeo ever striking his wife or his children?

Roger Nonnewitz stating that "it must have been hell for the people living there with this man" does not infer anything about physical abuse. Nor does Pat Cammaroto saying that Mr. DeFeo was a scumbag infer anything about physical abuse.

And once I found out that Mr. and Mrs. Nonnewitz had been a part of Ronnie’s "BS affidavit" game...to me...their credibility was shot.

As for Frank Davidge...I do indeed think he was lying...

viewtopic.php?f=9&t=7890&p=116723&hilit=frank#p116723

Have you ever talked to anyone in the Amityville area who knew the DeFeo family? I have. All to a T said both father and son were trouble.

Well I guess that ends the debate.

So have you ever talked to anyone who knew the DeFeos? There is the old saying of "Where there is smoke, there is fire."

Perhaps the Nonnewitz family knew quite a bit about the DeFeo's upbringing and had sympathy for Ronnie. Evidently they caught off all contact with them about 10 years ago when he was chronically lying to them.

[Victoria Principles]

I think people tend to sanctify the ones that have passed.

Why it is so hard to believe that Ronald Sir. was an abusive man?
I wouldn't have killed my father if he was a saint. i wouldn't have
killed my whole family if it wasn't pure mess. I really believe that
there was a lot of trouble going on in that house and that Ronnie grew
up being spoiled and at the same time abused (mentally and physically).

I'm in no way defending him. He deserves the worst for what he did.
But just because a person is dead he doesn't become a saint.

There are people out there who still believe the earth is flat or man never landed on the moon. No matter how much evidence there is to the contrary, you can't convince them.

[msmart112]

There are people out there who still believe the earth is flat or man never landed on the moon. No matter how much evidence there is to the contrary, you can't convince them.

In this case...we're still waiting for your evidence...

November 17, 2008:

DeFeo Sr. was a brute who beat his kids, including Jr.

[Dan the Damned]

Why it is so hard to believe that Ronald Sir. was an abusive man?

It's not hard to believe at all. That isn't the point. We are not arguing that the father was a saint -- we are simply pointing out that "him being an abusive husband" is not a fact. Victoria and others seem to be saying it is a fact that he was abusive -- as if it was proven beyond a shadow of a doubt. But that just isn't the case.

Yes, he may have been abusive, and he may not have been. He just as easily could have been a normal guy. There are reports from other family friends who say the father was not abusive. Simply put, there is conflicting evidence about this. The way I see it, that's the only point we're trying to make...

[Victoria Principles]

There are people out there who still believe the earth is flat or man never landed on the moon. No matter how much evidence there is to the contrary, you can't convince them.

In this case...we're still waiting for your evidence...

November 17, 2008:

DeFeo Sr. was a brute who beat his kids, including Jr.

I gave you evidence, but your rebuttal has been to the tune pf "they are lying", "the psychiatrists are incompetent", "the media is embellishing the story to sell newspapers". In other words, there is a whole big conspiracy trying to damage Ron DeFeo's sr good name.

Here is a post from someone who had run in with Sr. as a costumer at the Buick dealership.

I was really young then and exchanged some harsh words with the service manager, whose name was Ron DeFeo. He was a belligerent, hot head who screamed at me as if I was some idiot off the street and not a customer. Someone later interrupted and apologized for his son's rude and unacceptable behavior.

They negotiated the repairs by only paying for half the work, leaving us to pay the other half. Which I thought was completely unfair but I didn't know better and let them do it.

We later switched to another dealership but a few years later I remember hearing details about the Amtyville murders and realized the connection with the hot head and father... Ron Jr. and Ron Sr. DeFeo

Talk about Karma...

http://www.tsxclub.com/forums/dealership-experience/35050-acura-manhattan-nightmare.html

Yes, they got the son, father, and grandfather mixed up. This person, evidently doesn't know the Amityville story in depth. It probably doesn't interest him. It just shows that Ron Sr. was a hot head.

Again, have you ever talked to anyone who knew the DeFeos?

[Shawn]

What about Sir Ronald not being Butch's genuine father? Any sense in that?

Never heard that. I read Louise was pregnant with Ronnie before they got married (big no-no) for Roman Catholic families.

Read??? Isn't it easier to research it and know for sure????? "I read"...yea...where? It should be really easy for you to find the marriage record and compare it to ronnies birth. Then math comes into play. I know you can do it Vicky. I'm rooting for you!

[Shawn]

I gave you evidence, but your rebuttal has been to the tune pf "they are lying", "the psychiatrists are incompetent", "the media is embellishing the story to sell newspapers". In other words, there is a whole big conspiracy trying to damage Ron DeFeo's sr good name.

for the rest of us peons, and I speak of us all(peons that is), could you please, please,please link these things? You may be right, you may be wrong....IDK. but if you are trying to sway others into seeing your view, a link would be quite helpful. Personally, I have not seen any "proof" of which you speak. And Max usually, if not always, has concrete evidence to back up his claims.

and WTF's with the conspiracy theory shat? you speak of that very often....is that your excuse for everything?????

[Howard64]

It is always good practice to cite references when
presenting claims or writing a paper. This lends
credibility to the writer and removes suspicion of
plagiarism.

The papers I have to type up for school uses
what is called the APA Format. This outlines
how the paper should look, flow and conclude.

APA Style
http://www.apastyle.org/

[Shawn]

I think people tend to sanctify the ones that have passed.

Why it is so hard to believe that Ronald Sir. was an abusive man?
I wouldn't have killed my father if he was a saint. i wouldn't have
killed my whole family if it wasn't pure mess. I really believe that
there was a lot of trouble going on in that house and that Ronnie grew
up being spoiled and at the same time abused (mentally and physically).

I'm in no way defending him. He deserves the worst for what he did.
But just because a person is dead he doesn't become a saint.

Did you ever even for a second, think that the murders happened because Sr told Jr that the theft at the car dealership was going to be solved??? And ronnie, being the scum that he is killed them all because it was easier than getting busted???? It wasn't until the defense had no other options before they tried to declare insanity/possession. Try this, okay....do some research yourself. Research WHEN the abuse claim came into play. Then look at the evidence of Jr's behavior including the alleged misfire of the rifle that Jr. had pointed at Sr. , then all the other evidence/character of Jr himself. It's not rocket science you know.


EVEN if Sr WAS abusive to the extent as you claim, people all over the freaking planet have the same issues...but DONT kill their entire family. Parents? yes. but the whole family???? Um...no. Jr was a f*up unit from birth. Period. And insanely abusive to himself and others. If his excuse was abuse, then the extent of what "abuse" he claims must of been so bad EVERYONE would of known. And the fact is, maam, is that the evidence is clear. There is no proof of any abuse other than what was needed to control an obviously disturbed man. IMO if Jr had his royal ass kicked more often, the AH would of never happened.