Has anyone here written to Ronnie?

[csullivan]

I wonder if organizations like Prison Ministries have ever talked to Ronnie.

I don't know, I think those organizations are well-intentioned and the Catholic Church (which I'm a member of) is very supportive of that sort of thing, but my father hates that stuff, even though he is Catholic as well. He's 70 years old and conservative and just doesn't like all that "forgiveness for criminals" thing that some people and the Church are for.

I'm kind of in the middle, I guess as a Christian I think it's nice to try to forgive and help these people change if it's possible, but then again I don't like a soft attitude toward crime. When you hear how terrible these crimes are and what the victims went through, it just seems unfair to the victims, and that's how my father feels.

i was raised catholic and yes i do believe they did that sort of thing...i think however they just go in and pray for the individual to help the person overcome what is going on.not so much that they are forgiven for their crime..not to that extent....i am not sure if this sort of thing goes on today in the times we are living..the catholic church in my opinion is not like it was years ago

[TigresMeow]

If the person who committed the crime is truly sorry, God will forgive him/her. But that is between them and God.

[csullivan]

If the person who committed the crime is truly sorry, God will forgive him/her. But that is between them and God.

yeah sure God may forgive ..but that is not what i was responding to ...i was responding to the comment about the Catholic church

[TigresMeow]

If the person who committed the crime is truly sorry, God will forgive him/her. But that is between them and God.

yeah sure God may forgive ..but that is not what i was responding to ...i was responding to the comment about the Catholic church

I am just sticking my two cents in. I am very familiar with the Catholic church. . . .

[csullivan]

If the person who committed the crime is truly sorry, God will forgive him/her. But that is between them and God.

yeah sure God may forgive ..but that is not what i was responding to ...i was responding to the comment about the Catholic church

I am just sticking my two cents in. I am very familiar with the Catholic church. . . .

okay....i did not mean to sound so hateful about it ...re-reading what i wrote i apologize for sounding hateful about it

[Brooke Forrester]

It's okay, csullivan, your post wasn't mean!:)

So yeah, the Church's stance is against the death penalty, which I understand but my father is mad at the Church about that. He believes in it, he thinks it would be a preventative to crime if it was used more and didn't wait years and years to use it.

I can see both sides of the issue. I mean, I admit I'm squeamish about capital punishment, but when you hear what these criminals do to the victim, you can't help but feel they deserve it.

Plus sometimes people get let out and end up killing someone who wouldn't have died if they'd stayed in jail.

My father feels they let them out because there isn't room to keep them all.

But I think the Church looks at the passage of "turn the other cheek", at least that's what I heard last, and that's why they think we have to forgive and make the criminal a productive citizen. Also, because Jesus died to save us, and forgives us, and such.

This is their stance based on what our Deacon said in a sermon recently, a sermon that really angered my father and now we have an issue because he doesn't want to return to that church and I really like that church.

So I don't know, all joking aside about Ronnie being a "hot stud" attractive to females, in a way it would be nice for someone to reach out to him in a Christian fashion but I don't know how much it would help him. I don't know if it would seem insulting to his victims. This is an unusual case in that the person who destroyed them was also someone they loved. It's very sad.

[Howard64]

Here is the root of the issue as I see it.

A truly repentant man can and will be forgiven. Repentant
basically means that the person vows to never do the act
again and never does.

With Butchie, he is still in denial!! Now I truly feel that
if he admitted to his crimes and came to terms with God
on this, then a light would shine for him.

Until then, I feel he is doomed...

[TigresMeow]

I agree with you, Howard. I live in a death penalty state (TX) that seems to have an express lane when it comes to executions. I don't think there is anything wrong with the death penalty as long as there is absolutely no doubt that person committed the crime. I just wonder how many innocent people have been executed tho. As far as Ronnie is concerned, tho, I don't feel he is sorry for what he did and therefore will have to answer for his crimes in front of God.

As far as writing to Ronnie, why would anyone want to?

[Brooke Forrester]

Does anyone know if Ronnie really believes he didn't do it, or just says it? I know he's told many different stories. I mean I wonder if he is consciously lying, or is his brain just fried from his drug abuse.

Some people, especially women I think, like to write to criminals because they have the belief that they can change him. I've read that many women have that sort of belief about themselves, a sort of "Beauty and the Beast" mentality, that their goodness can change the criminal.

And in the case of Ronnie, some might want to write to him because his case is very famous.

[Tim]

I agree with you, Howard. I live in a death penalty state (TX) that seems to have an express lane when it comes to executions. I don't think there is anything wrong with the death penalty as long as there is absolutely no doubt that person committed the crime. I just wonder how many innocent people have been executed tho. As far as Ronnie is concerned, tho, I don't feel he is sorry for what he did and therefore will have to answer for his crimes in front of God.

As far as writing to Ronnie, why would anyone want to?

Reading your post Kat, reminded me of Ron White. He also mentions the "Express Lane" in Texas.

[Victoria Principles]

Does anyone know if Ronnie really believes he didn't do it, or just says it? I know he's told many different stories. I mean I wonder if he is consciously lying, or is his brain just fried from his drug abuse.

Some people, especially women I think, like to write to criminals because they have the belief that they can change him. I've read that many women have that sort of belief about themselves, a sort of "Beauty and the Beast" mentality, that their goodness can change the criminal.

And in the case of Ronnie, some might want to write to him because his case is very famous.

Yes, he believes he did it. He is just a sociopath that likes to play games with people.

[Brendan72]

Does anyone know if Ronnie really believes he didn't do it, or just says it? I know he's told many different stories. I mean I wonder if he is consciously lying, or is his brain just fried from his drug abuse.

Some people, especially women I think, like to write to criminals because they have the belief that they can change him. I've read that many women have that sort of belief about themselves, a sort of "Beauty and the Beast" mentality, that their goodness can change the criminal.

And in the case of Ronnie, some might want to write to him because his case is very famous.

Yes, he believes he did it. He is just a sociopath that likes to play games with people.

He gets off on lying because he feels it is the only real control he has in his life - just look over his life history that we know off.

[Shawn]

In all actuality, I would like to write to ronnie...it would go something like this...

Dear turd,

When will you ever stop your damned lying and fess
up about killing your family? Did you get your pudding
today? Or did Bubba the Love sponge take it in payment
for services rendered?


that is all i could think of for now

Days later and this STILL is making me laugh!!!!

[TraditionalShinnecockLand]

I considered it one time but didn't get a chance to. But what I wanted to ask was what kind of illness does he have?? It said that he has some kind of terminal illness. If anyone knows what it is, please let me know.... thanx!

[Dan the Damned]

They didn't say what terminal illness he had, so we don't know. Some years back he was diagnosed with Hep C. His wife said he was later "cured," but there's been some discussion as to whether someone can really be cured of such a thing:

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[shuan6427]

Why anyone wants to write to Ronnie is beyond me. Victoria Principles, in regard to McVeigh, ofcourse he was guilty, but even though I am not American, I studied the OKB case a lot in the past. I really think McVeigh did not know about the childcare centre and WOULD NOT have bombed the Federal Building in Oklahoma City if he had known that. He had planned to bomb a bigger building in Arkansas, but was worried about "civillian casualties" apparantly.

Just what I know from reading "American Terrorist", one of the best books written on the subject IMO. What McVeigh did was terrible though, whether he killed kids or not is irrelevant. A lot of innocent people were killed and injured that day. Ronnie DeFeo should stay in jail, McVeigh
got executed and he deserved it. I don't want to make excuses for such people, but we should examine the facts in all these cases, Oklahoma Bombing, Amityville, whatever.

[Howard64]

I have no reason to write him. But I can understand
the curiosity some may have.

[Howard64]

In all actuality, I would like to write to ronnie...it would go something like this...

Dear turd,

When will you ever stop your damned lying and fess
up about killing your family? Did you get your pudding
today? Or did Bubba the Love sponge take it in payment
for services rendered?


that is all i could think of for now

Days later and this STILL is making me laugh!!!!

Im glad you enjoyed that

[Victoria Principles]

Why anyone wants to write to Ronnie is beyond me. Victoria Principles, in regard to McVeigh, ofcourse he was guilty, but even though I am not American, I studied the OKB case a lot in the past. I really think McVeigh did not know about the childcare centre and WOULD NOT have bombed the Federal Building in Oklahoma City if he had known that. He had planned to bomb a bigger building in Arkansas, but was worried about "civillian casualties" apparantly.

Just what I know from reading "American Terrorist", one of the best books written on the subject IMO. What McVeigh did was terrible though, whether he killed kids or not is irrelevant. A lot of innocent people were killed and injured that day. Ronnie DeFeo should stay in jail, McVeigh
got executed and he deserved it. I don't want to make excuses for such people, but we should examine the facts in all these cases, Oklahoma Bombing, Amityville, whatever.

BS on McVeigh. He knew what he was doing. He blew up the building, just after 9:00 PM when most people would be working at the building. McVeigh didn't show any remorse for what he got. They should have thrown him into the general population and see how long he would last.

[Dan the Damned]

As a side thought, just wondering -- if someone is f*ked up enough to not care about killing others, would they necessarily care whether the victims are adults or children?

[shuan6427]

VP, you are stating the friggin obvious! Ofcourse Mc Veigh knew what he was doing! If you are a terrorist the objective is to kill a lot of people and cause heavy economic loss if possible also. McVeigh wanted to kill government workers, thus the choice of target. It was not bombed because a child care centre was located there. Instead of being emotional you should stick with the facts of the case. I don't really care if a murderer or a terrorist kills kids or not, they are still a killer no matter how old the victim is. What RDJ did in Amityville is just as bad as what McVeigh did, McVeigh just killed more people.

Anyway, Oklahoma bombing is really off topic here, I won't discuss it anymore.