The Truth About Geraldine Gates

[sherbetbizarre]

Almost 9 minutes of uncensored Gerri...

NSFW!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Fzx7G7X5Oc

[Dan the Damned]

[Shawn]

OMG!!!!! Her mouth!!!!! Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh! It is absolutely disgusting watching he talk without any teeth!


and Sherb, congrats on 6666 posts!!!!!

[sherbetbizarre]

Another vid, apparently to make Gerri appear more "legit"

...and what movie was Bill Weber factually involved in and received proceeds from? "Amityville II: The Possession" which was the adaptation of Hans Holzer's book "Murder in Amityville." DATE: 1982.

He doesn't say he WENT there in 1982... it could have been '84-'86... but even so, what does this change? Hmm... Not much!

We want to hear Mr Nonnewitz talk about Gerri pre-1975, and whether he believes she married and had a kid with Ronnie.

The above says "I've got nothing, but..."

[Deadguydan]

It's a little bit but yes I want more too. Hell even if it is pre 1986 but post 1974 it might shore up some truth BUT I would LOVE to hear some recollection of pre November 13th 1974.

[KNEW910]

[My personal opinion , Gerri was not there before the murders. However I do believe she was there sometime after
the murders. Maybe ronnie met gerri in prison , came up with some crap and gerri got her 15 min of fame. She got
lucky her fame time hasnt ended. Look at what ronnie pulled with jackie. Until it's proven otherwise I do not
believe gerri and ronnie were ever married.

[Deadguydan]

Refresh my memory....who is Jackie again?

[Dan the Damned]

Jackie Barrett -- the alleged "psychic" who claimed to have a psychic connection with Ronnie in the A&E program "Amityville: The Final Testament." The one who was shown touring the DeFeo house and claiming to be picking up vibrations from the family (even though it was not the DeFeo house she was walking around in)...

In other words, just another fraudster that Ronnie pals around with. Not much different from Geraldine, really...

[Victoria Principles]

Refresh my memory....who is Jackie again?

Ronnie's latest prison groupee.

[msmart112]

So in this clip...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Fzx7G7X ... e=youtu.be

...Gerri says that Ronnie invented the character of Richard Romondoe...in the early nineties...as an alias for Bobby Kelse.

But from TNTDD...we get...

"On February 27, 1988, Butch filed a lawsuit against his former attorney, citing that Weber’s exploits deprived him of his right to due process."

...and then...

"During DeFeo vs Weber, Butch also used Richard Romondoe, an obvious alias for Bobby Kelske"

...so how could Ronnie have invented the character of Richard Romondoe in the early nineties when according to Ric and Geraldine...Ronnie had invented the character of Richard Romondoe in the late eighties?

As far as Richard Romondoe being an alias for Bobby Kelse...here are two consecutive paragraphs from an audio recording that Ronnie made in 1993...

“I then took Richard back to New Jersey and told Geraldine what had happened and told them both not to say anything because I would take care of this. As it became light outside I drove to our Buick dealership in Brooklyn and waited for it to open as nothing had happened and played it by ear: I started to drink and get high again. The time had finally come when I decided to go back to Amityville that afternoon only to continue to drink and shoot more heroin.”

“In my drugged stupor I was driving down the road in Amityville and Robert Kelske, a junkie strung out on heroin, pulled-up alongside of my car and started asking me off the wall questions. This didn't register then because Kelske was a junkie and a thief that had previously burglarized both of my neighbors homes, so I paid his questions no mind. My father liked Kelske and even let him live down my basement because he was having family problems from time to time, however. I was not on friendly terms with Kelske.”

...as you can see...Ronnie is clearly stating that Richard and Bobby are two different people.

As far as Ronnie being the one who invented the character of Richard Romondoe...here is part of a 1992 letter from Ronnie's attorney (Gerald Lotto) to Ronnie...

“The investigators did effectuate proper service on Geraldine DeFeo. You will recall that although she originally advised the investigators that Richard Romondoe did exist, she later telephoned me and stated that if called to testify, she would be required to tell the truth, which was that you and she made up that story.”

...and it's certainly not surprising that Geraldine would have been involved in inventing the character of Richard Romondoe since she had been using that last name as far back as the late seventies...

[Shawn]

Wow Max! So this is yet another lie from Gerri.... .......









and to comment on :

My personal opinion , Gerri was not there before the murders. However I do believe she was there sometime after
the murders. Maybe ronnie met gerri in prison , came up with some crap and gerri got her 15 min of fame. She got
lucky her fame time hasnt ended. Look at what ronnie pulled with jackie. Until it's proven otherwise I do not
believe gerri and ronnie were ever married.

I'm with you. According to LEGAL PUBLIC RECORDS Gerritol was married to Gerald Gates at the time(and still is) and if she DID marry Ronnie it was BIGAMY.

[Rokiisun]

I too believe she was there after the murders, but what intrigues me is her account about the necklace that Louise was clutching in her
'left hand' on the night of the murders without having seen the crime scene photographs first.

Is there any other way she could have found this out, or do you think the claims are legitimate?

Maybe psychologists showed Ronnie this exact photograph so he knew about it, or because he was close enough to
Louise that night to see what she was holding.

[sherbetbizarre]

There were a few things I wanted to specifically reply to. First, Bryan mentions a discrepancy between Ric Osuna's account of Geraldine's story being discovered for the first time by Ric when, in reality, there was a 1986 Newsday article by Bob Keeler that first told the account. Ric and I talked about this, and I mulled it over with Geraldine, too, as to how to integrate this in. As Ric said, he had never seen the article before the call from Gerri, but she told him of it after their initial conversations. (In the photo, BTW, it's cropped off because Gerri was giving Keeler the bird)

Really? To me, she doesn't look too bothered...



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(and might I add, the Newsday article by Keeler wasn't the last time it was told either before Ric Osuna came along, note English criminologist Christopher Berry-Dee in 1994 wherein he talks about Butch and Geraldine DeFeo in his book;

He may have interviewed Ronnie in 1994, but his book came out in 2002, and contains material on Gerri shared to him by Ric.

there is the mention of the woman who came into Weber's office in Betty Carrington's Judicial Carousel during the 1970's with a child and said she was DeFeo's wife and the child was his;

I don't recall the book saying it was in the 70's..?

and there is also Hans Holzer's book, wherein Holzer asks Butch DeFeo in an interview if it is true that Butch stated he was married and had kids

Hans never asked that particular question, although his book credits him with it

The SECOND option was to play it straight from Ric Osuna's point-of-view AT the moment of time we were then covering. In the end, I felt like it mucked and gummed the streaming of the story up to offer this trivial detail that needed all this explanation when, really, it wasn't important.

Maybe it was important to explain how the article came about? And why it's full of direct quotes by Geraldine?

You think this is trivial? http://www.amityvillefaq.com/truth/DeFeonewstory.html

I think it's also important to note that Geraldine had been baiting Ric Osuna for some time after DeFeo told her to get in contact with him. Geraldine, at one point, had used her grandson Michael to throw the bait out there, claiming he was a child of DeFeo's and thus trying to get Ric's attention.

Lol, grandson?

Why would he need to lie about that?

Here's Gerri's version back in 2002:

Back to Michael he is really messed up.
He found out about Butch a few years ago.
But first let me tell you how it all started.
Butch always told me he had a son from a girl who lived just out side of Amityville.
I always thought he was lying until Michael showed up at my door.
He said he was adopted and I was his real mother and Butch his father.
He is a Defeo that is for sure looks just like that side of the family.
I tried to tell him I was not his mother but he had a letter from his mother who died of cancer.
All it said was that he was adopted and Ronald Joseph Defeo was his father.
Butch told me the girls name was Elaine Michael's mom's name was Marguerite .
It all got bad be cause he really wanted to be my son. He wrote Butch and Butch told him the truth.
Then he wanted to do D N A testing to prove he was my son.
I told him I was catholic and would never give up a child of mine, no matter who its father was.

And if he was trying to get Ric's attention he would have gone straight to his forum, which was linked off his Amityville Murders website. It was harder to miss it.

Instead, he trolled random paranormal sites, inviting people to e-mail him, while trying to sell Ronnie's letters for a hefty price.

http://amityvilletruth.freeservers.com/ebay.htm

Letters from Ronald J. DeFeo Jr., the Amityville Murderer. These letters were written to his first wife who was married to him from July 1970 to sometime in 1978, and as we all know the murders were on Nov.14 1974.

When told those marraige dates seemed suspect, Ric replied "they are correct!"

Later we found a different date in the Keeler article, and then in TNTDD Ric concocted an entirely NEW marriage date!

Admittedly, I don't know what posts were made, what emails were sent, or what EXACTLY transpired, and nor do I care.

I hope you do after reading this.

What was agreed upon in separate conversations between myself, Ric and Geraldine was that the rubber didn't meet the road until Geraldine CALLED Ric and read him the riot act about his website.

AKA Avoiding The Problem.

At that point, what you see in the film was set forth and into action. Again...you make a decision as a filmmaker. Should I spend an extra 20 minutes explaining this.....well, to put it bluntly, :) silly dilly :) that is of no importance to the film, or do I spent 2 minutes getting to the meat of the story? I chose, obviously, the latter while reaching the same end-point and conclusion.

Again, this lengthy article needs addressing.

Why she did it - before giving different information to Ric - is the meat of the story.

If I hadn't, we would have had a 20-hour flick full of trivial, hair-splitting stuff no one cared about. Let the hair-splitters do what they do.

It's not splitting hairs if the story keeps changing.

These individuals knew the DeFeos; they were close to them; they spent time with them; Gloria's children spent time in their home, which by Anthony's accounting was every weekend for about two and a half years. Roger Nonnewitz's wife cleaned this damn house 2-4 days a week. When they died, each of them felt a massive loss; each of them were emotionally devastated, and probably no one more than Linnea Nonnewitz. These people, for nearly 4-decades, have sat back, seen the utter crap manufactured by Hollywood ---- ghosts, ghouls, demons, exploding 3D houses, blood running from walls, ceramic lions biting occupants, flies, and demonic pigs depicted as part of the lives of the people they cared about and called friends.

So, then, I call.

Essentially....it's Hollywood on the line looking for their latest installment.

Hello Hollywood, how ya doing?

[Shawn]

This part really sticks out from that article:

Once the child was born, they claim, marriage followed. "My father just
about forced me into doing it," DeFeo said. The marriage supposedly took
place on Oct. 17, 1974, at the Garfield Grant Hotel in Long Branch, not
far from her home in Elberon, N.J. Geraldine produced a photocopy that she
says is their marriage certificate, but no such certificate is on file in
the records maintained by the City of Long Branch or the State of New
Jersey. The city magistrate whose name appears on the photocopy, Thomas J.
Baldino Jr., said in a telephone interview that he left the city's service
in 1964 and stopped acting as a justice of the peace. "I did not perform
any {marriages} after 1964," he said.

Hmmmmmmm

[msmart112]

There were a few things I wanted to specifically reply to. First, Bryan mentions a discrepancy between Ric Osuna's account of Geraldine's story being discovered for the first time by Ric when, in reality, there was a 1986 Newsday article by Bob Keeler that first told the account.

...and might I add, the Newsday article by Keeler wasn't the last time it was told either before Ric Osuna came along, note English criminologist Christopher Berry-Dee in 1994 wherein he talks about Butch and Geraldine DeFeo in his book...

Berry-Dee interviewed Ronnie in 1994...but in Berry-Dee's 1995 documentary on Ronnie...there was NO mention of Geraldine.

While Berry-Dee did mention Geraldine in his book...Talking With Serial Killers...that book wasn't published until 2003...AFTER Ric Osuna's book had been published.

Nice try, Ryan.

Here's what Berry-Dee wrote in his book regarding Geraldine...

"In January 1971, Butch DeFeo met a young woman called Geraldine, in the Ninth Bar in New York City. They dated for quite a while, then, in December 1973, she found out that she was pregnant. His father started hounding the couple to get married and, after their daughter, Stephanie, was born, they married on 17 October 1974, at the Garfield Grant Hotel in Long Branch, New Jersey."

...which is ripped straight from the following affidavit that was signed by Gerladine in 1989.

BTW...this affidavit offers additional proof that the character of Richard Romondoe was NOT invented in the nineties...as Geraldine stated on camera.

It also includes yet ANOTHER date when Geraldine allegedly met Ronnie. In the Newsday article...Geraldine met Ronnie in November of 1973. In TNTDD...Geraldine met Ronnie in May of 1969. And in this affidavit...Geraldine met Ronnie in January of 1971...

[TigresMeow]

And people wonder why we have such a problem with Geraldine. . . . .

One thing is stated here, something else is stated there, then something else is in this book and yet something totally different is somewhere else. Ryan needs to explain this since he is relying on Geraldine's words in Part I. He may not think it's important but it goes right to the heart of "his" claims. So...where is the explanation for these "trivial" matters? Hmmm?

I am waiting patiently for answers to this. But I won't hold my breath.

[sherbetbizarre]

While Berry-Dee did mention Geraldine in his book...Talking With Serial Killers...that book wasn't published until 2003...AFTER Ric Osuna's book had been published.

Actually the UK hardcover beat Ric's book by about 2 or 3 weeks - but the point remains valid, Berry-Dee was collecting this infomation simultaneously with Ric, not way before...

And if you read the DeFeo chapter, Gerri has been crudely crow-barred into the text.

[sherbetbizarre]

Ladies and gentlemen, the "star" of Shattered Hopes Part I...

OK YOU MUD WOGS MY TURN NOW.Sherb you are nothing but a user two faced fop.You are nice to people for what you want and a real friend means nothing to you.Max what do you want to be?? Can you not dig your own trash up ,YOU must stoop to using Tracy's left overs??What happened you were Ric Osuna's bud??
Dan get a life so you can make two cents you sure as hell need it.TO THE BITCHES. OH FOR CHRIST... SAKE GET A LIFE YOU STUPID JACKASSES
You do not know what the hell you are talking about .Slobering on a board talking about :) flower :) wishing you were a part of.You sick bitches need some help real bad.
Shawn your brother is a big time hodock with wads of money?? He should help pay for your illness you sick mutt.The stalker bitch.YOUR FRIEND IS FULL OF :) flower :)
Ask the jackass to tell you about Bobby and the boys.When did BUTCH SPEND ANY LENGHT OF TIME IN SCHOOL?? HE SAID THE CLOWNS IN SCHOOL ALL SUCKED THE SACK OTHER THEN A FEW
He hung with his boys that had boats and guns and went to the race track .
He also went to the city often.Go tell your friend go to Greenhaven and see Butch.
Note Roger calling Ronnie BUTCH
ASK your dear friend what he and Barry Springer did with his boat??
WHAT THEY USED THE BOAT FOR ???
ASK HIM BARRYS GIRLFRIEND;S NICK NAME SHE WAS WITH BARRY ALL THE TIME HE SHOULD KNOW THAT.
Ask him the name of Barry's first wife
Ask him what Bobby's wife did and what she was really in to
DID your friend carry a gun??The boys all did
Stay on your witch hunt you slug it is all you will ever have to be part of Amityville.
Do
any of you know the name of the big shot judge that gave me the papers of George Lutz
NOW WHY WOULD A JUDGE DO THAT?
SO SUCK IT UP YOU BAGS OF :) flower :) The fact is you wish you had one paper Ryan has
You are wanna be's
You are only letting people see how sick you all are and talk about how you are so rotten and hateful
THE FACT IS YOU ALL WANT WHAT RYAN HAS
I HAVE A LIFE AND IT IS NOT AMITYVILLE
YOU SHOULD ALL TRY TO FIND A LIFE BECAUSE YOU NEED SOMETHING
OOOOOOOOOOOO LOVE KISSES AND HUGS
GERALDINE

[Dan the Damned]

Boy, she sure put us in our place. We have no lives because we post crap about her on the Internet, so she shows us how she does have a life by posting crap about us on the Internet.

I hope what you copied isn't her intellectual property...

[sherbetbizarre]

Sherb you are nothing but a user two faced fop.You are nice to people for what you want and a real friend means nothing to you.

According to Ryan, me and you were never "friends". Thanks for putting him in his place.

Btw, he's taken credit for all your e-mails of 10 years ago

THE FACT IS YOU ALL WANT WHAT RYAN HAS

One third of "what Ryan has" is now out in the big wide world... shouldn't you be sitting back with a satisfied grin?

What's to fret about? I thought Shattered Hopes was going to show the truth and make us look like idiots?

[BooshaGirl]

I have never laughed so hard on a board in my life.