MerrittTheFerret wrote:One, he's the guy with the enormous mole on his forehead that is scarier than the house itself, right?
Yes, that's the guy. He appears as one of the talking heads in a few different documentaries on the Amityville Horror. The one that comes to mind immediately is the "City Confidential" piece. Although according to a more recent pic one of our members came across a while back, Ric has gotten his mole removed. Either that or he did a photoshop on that one recent pic.
MerrittTheFerret wrote:He seems pretty young to be a professional in the field... I mean, I get that he's probably got a degree in something....
"The Night the DeFeos Died" is the only book Ric Osuna has ever written. In this book, Ric states that he is an investigative journalist
In 2004, Ric was deposed by George Lutz' lawyer, who asked Ric what makes him an investigative journalist. It seems Ric just liked the title and gave it to himself, despite not having actually ever been an investigative journalist at all. Here is an outtake:
- Q. You've referred to yourself as an investigative journalist; correct?
Q. Is that what you are?
A. I refer to myself as an investigative author, now. I mean, I consider my work of the standard of investigative journalism, but I never got a degree as a Quote, unquote, journalist.
Q. So, the standard of investigative journalism -- you do your homework; right?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. You confirm your sources.
Q. You -- if you have any kind of questionable source you get a second source to support; right?
Q. Generally, on anything you're stating you want a double source, but you can't always get that and sometimes you have to use some license against that; right?
A. License --
Q. Investigative journalism has an unwritten rule that you want a double source, but if you can't get one --
Q. -- it's still okay to use a single source?
A. Well, I mean, I suppose if that's the definition you're giving for investigative journalism, I wouldn't know. I mean, the fact is, I agree with everything you said up to that point. I feel that if you're going to report something, get as many sources as you can. And if you can't verify something, then you need to say, "I can't verify this."
Q. Unverified would be no second source; right?
A. Right. Or no source at all.
Q. Was the DeFeo Murders written to an investigative journalism standard?
A. Yes, it was.
I think it's clear that Osuna claimed to be an investigative journalist just to bolster the claims made in his book. To make it seem like he was an expert in investigating such matters, and that he was being fair with the opinions given in his book. You can read the full deposition at this link
. It's very entertaining, and gives you a real sense of who Osuna is, how he thinks/reasons, and what happened between him and George.
MerrittTheFerret wrote:...but the guy seems young, I don't think he was even born yet when the murders or maybe even the haunting happened. Just putting that out there.
I'm not sure (offhand) what year Osuna was born. But yeah, if he was alive, he was probably just an infant when the DeFeo murders and the Amityville Horror haunting went down.
Of course that doesn't really make that much of a difference. Rick Moran uses that whole "you weren't even born back then" logic, himself, when attempting to debunk people like us who challenge his claims. I once asked Moran what difference it made whether we were alive in 1976 or not, and his response was something like "well if you were alive back then, you'd see how it all went down in the media, and you'd get the sense of what the general public was thinking about the case." And of course that matters very little with this case. This is not a case about public opinion -- it's a case about evidence and facts (in Moran's case (the murders)). And we can see what the general feeling was like in newspaper articles and books (such as "The Amityville Horror Conspiracy," which notes how many people felt the haunting was true and were fascinated with it.
I even think George has used that line before. "You weren't even born back then -- what do you know." But I disagree with the logic. I don't think people who were alive at the time (like me) know anything more than those who weren't born yet. Only the people in that house knew anything for sure.
So yeah, even though Ric may not have been alive -- I can't hold that against him. The only drawback to not being alive at the time would be that he didn't have the opportunity to interview certain people involved with the case, who, are presently taking their turn at not being alive.
Then again, even if Anson and Gerard Sullivan were still alive, I still doubt Ric would have interviewed them.
MerrittTheFerret wrote:Two, has he ever even been in the house?
Ric claims he was given a personal 2-hour guided tour of the Amityville Horror house (by the current owner) in November of 2000. In our forum archives
you can find a couple of interesting posts by Ric regarding this dubious claim. Here's one such post
from March of 2002, about a year and a half after the supposed tour:
(3/17/02 10:55:55 pm)
Re: Urban Legends of Amityville
Gosh, Rock, those are worth a great laugh!
It's like one of those fish stories we've all heard...you know the one how the fish keeps growing a foot longer every time the fisherman tells the story.
Since the book is out, I now can say On-line how I've actually been inside the house. Yep! Back in November 2000, Mr. Brian Wilson invited me to tour the house and hear my research findings. I spent two hours inside and have since developed a friendly understanding with Mr. Wilson. He is a very kind man, but is angered over all of the hoax crap and how it was resurrected on purpose by The History Channel--who he has had his own dealings with. I can't say that I blame him though.
He asked me to keep the tour to myself until the book was released since he wanted people to understand that nobody except family and friends get to see inside his home. Since he knew how much I fought with The History Channel to report the truth, he knew I was a legitimate researcher and invited me inside.
It was a lovely home. No ghosts, no demons and no negative feelings anywhere to be found. Of course, he gave me the grand tour and it was nothing short of remarkable, although the house was a little smaller than I originally expected it to be. I think I liked the boathouse best since I love the water so much. Grr...and I live in the desert.
The one thing I am passionate over is how I want curiosity seekers to leave the current house owners alone. Let 'em live in peace to enjoy their beautiful property. Viewing the house from across the street is one thing, but to go knock on the door is completely wrong!
The Truth Will Set You Free...
Edited by: ric112 at: 3/17/02 11:03:30 pm
What a load of crap! I especially love this line: "He asked me to keep the tour to myself until the book was released since he wanted people to understand that nobody except family and friends get to see inside his home."
How the hell does that make any sense? If Wilson wanted people to know that nobody but family can visit, surely he'd tell Ric to never ever
tell anyone he visited. To merely postpone
news of Ric's tour does nothing
to that end, and makes absolutely no sense!
But this earlier post
is a lot better. It comes from May of 2000, six months before Ric's supposed tour (and back when Ric was a believer in the haunting and one of the producers for the History's Mysteries
Registered: May 2000
posted July 24, 2000 02:36
For your info, it's the History Channel not Discovery Channel. Besides, I
don't know what ever gave you the idea that I was attacking you.
Anyway, I talked to Mr. Wilson and he was extremely rude to deal with. We
gave him a chance to show on national TV that his house was not haunted --
he refused. So that makes me believe he either likes the attention or has
something to hide.
So just six months before granting Ric a tour, the "very kind" Mr Wilson was "etremely rude" and flat out refused to show the History's Mysteries people that his house was not haunted.
Now this sounds like the Mr Wilson that we all know -- a man who knows the only thing he can do is deny any and all
interviews. Whether he claims the house is haunted or not, it still
creates attention for the house and causes more people to come and visit.
Ric doesn't seem to understand that Wilson is nothing at all like the Cromartys. He has learned from their mistakes. He doesn't grant tours to people who have "championed the cause," because he doesn't have a cause. While the Cromartys, in their day, attempted to show the haunting was a hoax, Wilson just wants to be left alone. He wants pro-haunting people to leave him alone, and
he wants those who think it was a hoax to leave him alone...
And who wouldn't
be rude when dealing with Ric Osuna?
Clearly if Wilson had a desire to show his house wasn't haunted, he'd have taken the opportunity to do it on the History's Mysteries
program rather than wait and give Ric Osuna a private tour. It just makes absolutely no sense at all.
I think we can see what's going on pretty clearly when Ric said: "He asked me to keep the tour to myself until the book was released since he wanted people to understand that nobody except family and friends get to see inside his home."
Obviously this make no sense, but it does serve to give an excuse as to why Ric never mentioned this private tour back when it happened. It's a childish attempt to explain why he's suddenly making this claim a year and a half after the event. And the claim is most likely made as part of an attempt to make Ric look like more of an authority on the matter -- just as he did with his self-given title of "investigative journalist."