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Re: Poor souls in Conneticut

Post by Howard64 » Wed Dec 19, 2012 7:19 am

there are NO classes to train for automatic weapons that I know of...except for the military.
" A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of
the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed."

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Re: Poor souls in Conneticut

Post by Victoria Principles » Wed Dec 19, 2012 7:50 am

Howard64 wrote:there are NO classes to train for automatic weapons that I know of...except for the military.
Howard, there was a video of Adam Lanza practicing shootng the Bushmaster 223 semi-automatic. Whether it was a legal shooting range I don't know. There are plenty of people who go out in the deep woods to pretend to play soldier with weapons much more powerful than single shot weapons. Plenty of mitilia movements out there.

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Re: Poor souls in Conneticut

Post by AKA JH70 » Wed Dec 19, 2012 10:17 am

Shooting classes implies a legal way to learn.

Militia movements and playing soldier isn't the same thing

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Re: Poor souls in Conneticut

Post by Victoria Principles » Wed Dec 19, 2012 11:26 am

AKA JH70 wrote:Shooting classes implies a legal way to learn.

Militia movements and playing soldier isn't the same thing

I think the weekend wannabe Marines have classes on how to use firearms, other weapons, and how to fight the black helicopters.

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Re: Poor souls in Conneticut

Post by Matt9290 » Wed Dec 19, 2012 1:57 pm

Victoria Principles wrote:
AKA JH70 wrote:Shooting classes implies a legal way to learn.

Militia movements and playing soldier isn't the same thing

I think the weekend wannabe Marines have classes on how to use firearms, other weapons, and how to fight the black helicopters.
I'm not very knowledgeable on the subject, but as so many people own guns in the USA shouldn't there be classes on how to use them and the responsibility of ownership? After all - nobody is expected to drive a car without instructions, as they would be considered a danger to themselves and others --- Or is there something I'm missing being from the UK?
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Re: Poor souls in Conneticut

Post by Howard64 » Wed Dec 19, 2012 3:34 pm

Okay let me clear something up. There is a difference between
semi-automatic and automatic.

Semi auto means that each time you pull the trigger, one round is expended...

Automatic means that when you pull the trigger the gun will fire until
you release the trigger.

Semi Automatics are legal, automatics are not (to the general public)

To own an Automatic firearm you must possess a Class 3 federal firearms
license. The process is lengthy and very costly, not to mention background checks
scrutinize practically every inch of your life. And you have to constantly be accountable for
all of your ammunition as well as having federally approved storage for the firearms as well.

As far as your comment about "weekend marines" I will let that slide this time. I served in
that branch as well as the Army so I sort of take offense when people may comments like that.

As far as the kid who did the shooting recently, I will say this. If the parent had exercised
proper gun storage; locking them up and using trigger locks, as well as locking up the ammunition,
and hiding the keys, then all of this could have been avoided.

If you wish to discuss this topic , by all means, lets discuss.

But when you make comments like "I think the weekend wannabe Marines have classes on how
to use firearms, other weapons, and how to fight the black helicopters." It does not go over well.
" A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of
the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed."

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Re: Poor souls in Conneticut

Post by AKA JH70 » Wed Dec 19, 2012 9:31 pm

Howard64 wrote:If you wish to discuss this topic , by all means, lets discuss.

But when you make comments like "I think the weekend wannabe Marines have classes on how
to use firearms, other weapons, and how to fight the black helicopters." It does not go over well.
Good luck with that Howard

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Re: Poor souls in Conneticut

Post by Howard64 » Wed Dec 19, 2012 9:36 pm

Just seems to me that comments like that sound silly...
" A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of
the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed."

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Re: Poor souls in Conneticut

Post by AKA JH70 » Wed Dec 19, 2012 9:43 pm

Howard64 wrote:Just seems to me that comments like that sound silly...

I completely agree with you. Unfortunately look who made it :roll:

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Re: Poor souls in Conneticut

Post by Architect of light 75 » Thu Dec 20, 2012 1:06 am

I saw that in the news when we were in Copenhagen. That is awful, what a tragedy, what a shame...

You guys really have to change something in your laws. Even a US senator said "we are the only industrialized country in the world where these event happen that often".

It's a real mess over there, a real shame.

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Re: Poor souls in Conneticut

Post by Victoria Principles » Thu Dec 20, 2012 6:39 am

Howard64 wrote: As far as your comment about "weekend marines" I will let that slide this time. I served in
that branch as well as the Army so I sort of take offense when people may comments like that.

As far as the kid who did the shooting recently, I will say this. If the parent had exercised
proper gun storage; locking them up and using trigger locks, as well as locking up the ammunition,
and hiding the keys, then all of this could have been avoided.

If you wish to discuss this topic , by all means, lets discuss.

But when you make comments like "I think the weekend wannabe Marines have classes on how
to use firearms, other weapons, and how to fight the black helicopters." It does not go over well.
Howard, there are lots of militias movements out there who do spend their weekend pretending to be marines, getting trained in firearms and other weapons so they can fight the UN, black helicopters, etc. Remember that Timothy McVeigh thing?

Adam Lanza rigged his Bushmaster to get the most maximum of damage from it. He jungletaped it. You have to ask where he learned to do such a techinue. I hope legal gun ranges don't teach such things.

Mom was described as a "survivalist" by her former sister in law. Survivalist often have ties to militias. Newtown had problems with reports of automatic gun fire and weapon explostions that shook houses in recent months. Were the Lanzas involved in this? Why did Mom need a Bushmaster for protection? A hand gun and a rifle, I can see , but a semi-automatic weapon?

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Re: Poor souls in Conneticut

Post by Howard64 » Thu Dec 20, 2012 9:22 am

I am perfectly aware of militias and being able to modify weapons.
But the bushmaster you speak of is not automatic.

The practice of jungle taping has been around since the Korean war,
but had drawbacks as it promoted jamming of the weapon. This was due
to the fact that the opposite magazine was open to the elements and could
pick up debris that could get into the rifle.

Where did you get your information about Newtown? I would like to read it.

I have searched for information you indicated and I cannot find it.

Dont know where you are getting your information...
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Re: Poor souls in Conneticut

Post by Victoria Principles » Thu Dec 20, 2012 9:39 am

Howard64 wrote:I am perfectly aware of militias and being able to modify weapons.
But the bushmaster you speak of is not automatic.

The practice of jungle taping has been around since the Korean war,
but had drawbacks as it promoted jamming of the weapon. This was due
to the fact that the opposite magazine was open to the elements and could
pick up debris that could get into the rifle.

Where did you get your information about Newtown? I would like to read it.

I have searched for information you indicated and I cannot find it.

Dont know where you are getting your information...
Here is where I got the information from.
http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2 ... s?page=0,1
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/17/nyreg ... anted=all&

http://www1.whdh.com/news/articles/loca ... -shooting/

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/2 ... ?ref=fpblg

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Re: Poor souls in Conneticut

Post by Howard64 » Thu Dec 20, 2012 11:33 am

Thank you for posting the links...

I am reading the second article and I came across this...

“Guns are why we’re free in this country, and people lose sight of that when
tragedies like this happen,” he said. “A gun didn’t kill all those children, a
disturbed man killed all those children.” (Scott Otrosky, NY Times)

Most of that article is about gun owners who support the right to carry arms
and support teaching their children gun safety. (not everyone who collects or
shoots firearms are survivalists)

The first website I read was from a subsidiary of the Washington Post called
"Foriegn Policy" seems a bit biased in their reporting of this subject. The author
J.M. Berger seems to making the supposition that the survivalist mentality
could have had a hand in what happened. Looks more like an opinion.

In another website you posted the gunmans own aunt is quoted in saying...

"“Just pray for peace,” said Marsha Lanza. “Do I think gun laws need to be changed?
No. It’s the person that does the killing, not the gun."

She repeats the same comment in the fourth website where it is indicated that the mother
was concerned with survival and protecting herself and her family...you could even use the
term "Doomsdayer" as was used in the last website.

All of what I posted just now can be read at the websites you posted. It seems to me
that you picked out what you wanted or thought would support your contentions. There
is nothing wrong with survivalists.

Nor was there mention of Marines in any of the articles so I would appreciate an apology for
what appears to be a slam on a proud branch of the military services. If you don't like guns,
the people who own them, or even gun rights, that's fine. If you wish to tell others about
your feelings that is fine also. But keep in mind; report your findings properly, cite your references
and stop with the generalizations which come off as snide remarks.
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Re: Poor souls in Conneticut

Post by Victoria Principles » Thu Dec 20, 2012 1:24 pm

Howard64 wrote:Thank you for posting the links...

All of what I posted just now can be read at the websites you posted. It seems to me
that you picked out what you wanted or thought would support your contentions. There
is nothing wrong with survivalists.

Nor was there mention of Marines in any of the articles so I would appreciate an apology for
what appears to be a slam on a proud branch of the military services. If you don't like guns,
the people who own them, or even gun rights, that's fine. If you wish to tell others about
your feelings that is fine also. But keep in mind; report your findings properly, cite your references
and stop with the generalizations which come off as snide remarks.
Howard, sorry if I offended you. The statement I made about Marines was the wanna be Marines in those various militia groups, I never made any references to the real US Marine Corps. I will not take back any thing I said about these backwoods militia groups. These groups are dangerous and have shown in the past there are terrorist elements in them. If I offended anyone about what I said about militias, tough. Get over it.

I am all for gun rights and ownerships. Gun controll laws don't work and there is the 2nd Amendment as well. Though the words "well regulated militia" has meanings that should be discussed.


Howard, Why would someone need to own a bushmaster for protection? Protection from what? Ironic that this woman bought all these guns to protect her from imaginary enenmies, yet she was ignorant of the danger of the enemy within, her very own son.

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Re: Poor souls in Conneticut

Post by Howard64 » Thu Dec 20, 2012 6:08 pm

This woman was a moron. She obviously didnt know what she was doing...
let me illustrate with a little flow chart I made.

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Why own a bushmaster? why own a Ferrari or a Humvee for that matter.

There is nothing wrong with weapons, its the person who is behind it. And before you can say it
yes a Ferrari or a Humvee can kill people too, its called drunk or reckless driving, or intentional
vehicular manslaughter..or murder.

Sounds to me like you have an axe to grind. I have no fear of people like you, because you fear what
you do not understand and find ways to lash out at whatever presents itself.
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Re: Poor souls in Conneticut

Post by Howard64 » Thu Dec 20, 2012 6:10 pm

I worded part of my flow chart wrong and made it sound as if
you should lock up your kids...haha error on my part, apologies.
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Re: Poor souls in Conneticut

Post by sherbetbizarre » Tue Jan 08, 2013 12:54 pm

Alex Jones goes nutziod at Piers Morgan... :shock:




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Re: Poor souls in Conneticut

Post by Victoria Principles » Tue Jan 08, 2013 1:54 pm

My husband and I have guns (locked up). They are to protect against home invaders and nut cases like Alex Jones and his minions. Alex Jones and the black helicopter crowd are the real threats against America. Some of these wack jobs are activating civil war in America.

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Post by Rokiisun » Sat Jan 26, 2013 7:20 pm

sherbetbizarre wrote:Alex Jones goes nutziod at Piers Morgan... :shock:



I don't know why I found this funny, but I couldn't stop laughing.
All I can say is, Piers kind of had it coming after the previous comments he made about gun control in America. I'm actually glad someone put him in his place in the debate.
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