Seances (and the Tall Figure...)

[TraditionalShinnecockLand]

Hey folks... does anyone know if seances have ever been performed at the house or they ever will be performed in the future? Any answers are appreciated. Thanks.

[evanguy2004]

Hey folks... does anyone know if seances have ever been performed at the house or they ever will be performed in the future? Any answers are appreciated. Thanks.

According to Lorraine Warren on 28-OCT-07 at the Whitney Farms Annual Halloween Bash, "The subsequent owners of 108 Ocean Avenue have never done anything to rid the house of its demons". That was her response to me when I asked her if she felt that the house was still haunted today. I take that to mean there have not been any more seances after the Lutz era of the home. I believe however there was one done immediately upon the Lutz's departure with Lorraine Warren in the home. I also take it that the seance did not work for her to claim to this day the home is still haunted.

As a side note when I approached Lorraine Warren on 05-OCT-07 at the Trumbull, CT Library lecture and showed her a picture of the house she said under her breath that this is a very evil, evil place. I pressed her to tell me how she knows the home is still haunted today and she said she knows this from her pyschic ability along with stories she had heard people share with her. She has also stated publically that she would never go near or place a foot in that house again. Coming from her and knowing all of the haunted places she has visted is a very powerful statement in my opinion!!!!!

[TraditionalShinnecockLand]

Hey ... thanks for the reply. I appreciate it. But between you and me, I think there will be more seances in the future. Who knows if the current owners of the home don't perform them already? I mean... they have more than enough guts to stay there as it is!

By the way... does anyone here happen to know who is living in the house today and if so, for long now?

You know.... I was thinking ...... if the house gave so many ppl in the past so many problems, why don't they try and tear it all down? If they've tried doing that and failed, then it is indeed truly haunted. If anyone has an answer on if anyone has attempted to tear the house down or not, please do let me know. That indeed is a very good question. Thanks again!

[msammons]

I don't know about tearing it down but after the Lutz's left the Cromarty's bought it and lived there until 1987 and then the O'Neil's lived there until 1997 and then Brian Wilson bought it and has lived there ever since. None of those families have ever reported anything paranormal. I do recall a seance after the Lutz's left and before the Cromarty's bought it. There were reporters there and other psychics along with the Warrens. I think there is documentary on Youtube and this is the one where they found the famous ghostboy photo. There are posts on here about that as well. BTW, if you are new here, welcome. This place is great and so many people have a wealth of knowledge about the case. The Defeo's bought the house from the Rileys in I think 1965. Christine Riley is an actress who goes by Christine Belford.

[evanguy2004]

In addition, Brian Wilson purchased the house for $310,000 and has spent a ton of money remodeling the place. In regards to tearing it down, Lorraine Warren claims that it is more to do with the ground being haunted not the house per se'. There has been posts on these boards discussing the first house that was built on the property and since moved down the street on Ireland. Some would say that house had its share of problems until they moved it. Lorraine has told me to my face that the house is a very evil place and has been the closest to hell she has ever been. I personally don't think knocking down a pretty house like that would solve anything. Especially now on how nice Brian has made the house!! My guess the house would be worth $800,000+ since he remodeled it!!

[BellWitch74]

I thought seances were more for communicating rather than exorcising?

[Amityville Rock]

Allegedly a séance occurred in the prior house in the summer of 1922. I say allegedly because the person who told this to me (in 2003) prefers to remain secret. I do however have in my possession a photographic plate that shows a strange hooded figure that was claimed to have manifested during said incident. Here is a print of the image I have posted to an old site I use to run:

[Brendan72]

I have heard that the people in the Long Island area, particularly the more affluent areas (such as Amityville) indulged in witchcraft, seances etc as something of a fad. If this photo is genuine then it is possible a cause of the activity could be because of the seance.

This doesn't surprise me because the rich were bored and indulged in whimsical and stupid fads simply because they could - and nothing has changed.

Having said that I have a few questions / queries / opinions about the photograph:

1. Was it really taken at the house previously on the lot in 1922?

2. Was the photograph really taken in 1922?

3. The figure in the photograph appears to have a full form - i.e., you can see the figure's feet on the carpet - and the face looks as though it is a mask covering the face - the photograph itself is grainy so there is no way to determine this;

4. The individual wishing to remain anonymous makes me think they either don't want to be ridiculed or found out if it is revealed to be a hoax.

[Amityville Rock]

All good questions, I only wish I had all the answers. I can tell you I have the photographic plate; there is an image on it of basically what you see. I had a professor of multi-media check the plate out, as far as he can tell it hasn't be tampered with. That is all I can confirm.


BTW I've always been interested in how large the figure is. Its head seemingly is touching the ceiling.

[OldSoul70]

I have heard that the people in the Long Island area, particularly the more affluent areas (such as Amityville) indulged in witchcraft, seances etc as something of a fad. If this photo is genuine then it is possible a cause of the activity could be because of the seance.

This doesn't surprise me because the rich were bored and indulged in whimsical and stupid fads simply because they could - and nothing has changed.

Having said that I have a few questions / queries / opinions about the photograph:

1. Was it really taken at the house previously on the lot in 1922?

2. Was the photograph really taken in 1922?

3. The figure in the photograph appears to have a full form - i.e., you can see the figure's feet on the carpet - and the face looks as though it is a mask covering the face - the photograph itself is grainy so there is no way to determine this;

4. The individual wishing to remain anonymous makes me think they either don't want to be ridiculed or found out if it is revealed to be a hoax.

Lol who told you about the "Witch Fad"? I find it funny.By no means am I starting anything. I just find it funny. Anyway I have to get back to smudging with my sage bundle so I can get rid of that spirit in my upstairs room who won't shut up.

[Dan the Damned]

I have the photographic plate; there is an image on it of basically what you see.

How nice of this demon to pose for a photo.

So the image on the plate - is it framed just like we see it here - with the figure perfectly in the center of the photo?

[MerchBoi]

Let us not forget that back then camera's took FOREVER to focus..... This demon thing would have had to litterally have posed, as Dan said.

I'm skeptical of this claim, but its possible I suppose. I'd be interested in hearing more backstory. Who threw this seance? Does this photo print you have (plate) LOOK like it itself is from the 20's?

Is it the original?

[BellWitch74]

I wanna know more about it too. Of all the "ghost" or "demon" photos I've seen this one's form is pretty clear and fairly big. If he is indeed real, that's freakin' scary.

[Architect of light 75]

Hey morning fellas.

Doing well ?

I agree with Dan, the pix always look like a nice posing.

It reminded me the album of Black Sabbath where you see a hold mansion and a Lady standing there and looking at us. The legend says that they took the picture of the mansion but that nobody was there and when the picture came up printed they saw that Lady dressed in black, sure..

Without the Lady the mansion would not be centered so.. The picture looks better with the Lady right in the middle.

See the pic below :



She looks like the Joconde but dirty and darker..

Have a nice day

[zzvampy]

Lol, that's no old woman, that's Ozzy back in the day.

Look! It's AmityOzzy!

[Architect of light 75]

Morning zzvampy, doing well ?

I'm sorry but it's not Ozzy on the pic.

They really wanted to make us believe it was like a ghost of a Lady. I have that legend from some real fans of the band.

I know Ozzy looked almost like that Lady but it's not him.

Look at Black Sabbath's info. That legend is explained on that Wikipedia page but only on the French page, not on the English one. Look here under "La Pochette" (album's cover) :

http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Sabb ... e-moulinjc

Is it you on your avatar ? If yes you're very pretty

Have a nice day

[Amityville Rock]

If you look at the lady pic you can tell that image does not belong there; around the edges it looks inserted.

Dan: yes the image is on the plate, and it is a Kodak plate from c. 1925. The image of the figure itself is a little dark, also so I’ve lightened it a bit. The photograph was allegedly part of a cache of belongings and nick knacks inherited by a cousin of Annie Ireland, upon her death. That is all I can tell you, I've probably already said more than the party in question would like me to have said.

[Amityville Rock]

I'm very frustrated with this. I probably should never have brought it up. Much like things sworn to me in secrecy by the late Lee Lutz, I can't break my word to this person by sharing any more details with the forum. I wish I could, but my word is my bond. Take it as a curiosity, nothing more. I will add this however; there are things about various aspects of this case, and its background, that will sadly never be known by the general public due to the negative experiences of the Lutzes with certain people. Kaplan and Osuna did everyone a terrible disservice by frightening off the people who could provide some of these answers.

[BellWitch74]

Lol, that's no old woman, that's Ozzy back in the day.

Look! It's AmityOzzy!

LOL AmityOzzi . . . that could be the theme for his next tour.

[sherbetbizarre]

Allegedly a séance occurred in the prior house in the summer of 1922. I say allegedly because the person who told this to me (in 2003) prefers to remain secret. I do however have in my possession a photographic plate that shows a strange hooded figure that was claimed to have manifested during said incident. Here is a print of the image I have posted to an old site I use to run:

Bumping up this old thread.

Using the link chichibcc posted of the former house at 112...

LINK

...can you tell which room this figure allegedly appeared in?

[Jetstar3D]

Hard to tell but from the room pics they show, but the closest that matches is actually the bathroom (2nd to last in the set). At least I think it does, and not just trying to be funny! Looks like the same wood paneling. Then again, looks like a rug on the floor under the tall man, so who knows. Is this 'tall figure' picture legit?