Do you believe Ronald was possessed?

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Do you believe Ronald was possessed?

Post by Brooke Forrester » Mon Jan 15, 2018 10:13 am

This question is of course mostly for those who believe in the haunting.

A big part of the haunting story has always been that the paranormal activity existed before the murders and that the murders were a direct result of the spirits that were purportedly there for centuries.

The Warrens, Holzer and the Lutzes seemed to believe he was possessed.

For those of you who do believe in the Lutz story, do you believe too that Ronald Jr. was possessed?

You are welcome to answer even if you don’t believe in the haunting.

(Wasn’t sure if this should go here or in the DeFeo section but thought here since it involves the paranormal theories.)

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Post by Bodie_Rose » Mon Jan 15, 2018 10:41 am

Brooke Forrester wrote:This question is of course mostly for those who believe in the haunting.

A big part of the haunting story has always been that the paranormal activity existed before the murders and that the murders were a direct result of the spirits that were purportedly there for centuries.

The Warrens, Holzer and the Lutzes seemed to believe he was possessed.

For those of you who do believe in the Lutz story, do you believe too that Ronald Jr. was possessed?

You are welcome to answer even if you don’t believe in the haunting.

(Wasn’t sure if this should go here or in the DeFeo section but thought here since it involves the paranormal theories.)
No. Ronnie was and is still a piece of **** who would have probably gunned them down no matter what house they lived in.

I have huge problems concerning the credibility of many people involved mostly BECAUSE of these possession claims. People kill others all the time, even their own families... and there's absolutely no evidence that they do so because of anything paranormal. The Warrens and Holzer in my opinion are just as guilty of being apologists for the murdering scumbag that is Ronnie as the likes of Osuna and Katzenbach(sp?).

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Re: Do you believe Ronald was possessed?

Post by Victoria Principles » Mon Jan 15, 2018 12:35 pm

He was possessed by heroin.

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Re: Do you believe Ronald was possessed?

Post by Amit Y Ville » Tue Jan 16, 2018 4:41 pm

Brooke Forrester wrote:This question is of course mostly for those who believe in the haunting.

A big part of the haunting story has always been that the paranormal activity existed before the murders and that the murders were a direct result of the spirits that were purportedly there for centuries.

The Warrens, Holzer and the Lutzes seemed to believe he was possessed.

For those of you who do believe in the Lutz story, do you believe too that Ronald Jr. was possessed?

You are welcome to answer even if you don’t believe in the haunting.

(Wasn’t sure if this should go here or in the DeFeo section but thought here since it involves the paranormal theories.)
He was possessed for sure. He wasn't the kind of person who'd just kill his entire family for no reason.
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Re: Do you believe Ronald was possessed?

Post by DC Fan » Wed Jan 17, 2018 5:50 am

I think he acted alone, without any aid or prodding of any force human or otherwise, because he is an anus. Even if there were some strange occurrences in the house during that period, he could still be the sole cause of those deaths.

I suspect that Bodie Rose is right that he would have done the same in a different house.

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Post by vomit » Thu Jan 18, 2018 5:41 pm

Brooke Forrester wrote:This question is of course mostly for those who believe in the haunting.

A big part of the haunting story has always been that the paranormal activity existed before the murders and that the murders were a direct result of the spirits that were purportedly there for centuries.

The Warrens, Holzer and the Lutzes seemed to believe he was possessed.

For those of you who do believe in the Lutz story, do you believe too that Ronald Jr. was possessed?

You are welcome to answer even if you don’t believe in the haunting.

(Wasn’t sure if this should go here or in the DeFeo section but thought here since it involves the paranormal theories.)
No.

He was a delinquent. Nothing to see here.
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Post by Amit Y Ville » Fri Jan 19, 2018 5:30 pm

vomit wrote:
Brooke Forrester wrote:This question is of course mostly for those who believe in the haunting.

A big part of the haunting story has always been that the paranormal activity existed before the murders and that the murders were a direct result of the spirits that were purportedly there for centuries.

The Warrens, Holzer and the Lutzes seemed to believe he was possessed.

For those of you who do believe in the Lutz story, do you believe too that Ronald Jr. was possessed?

You are welcome to answer even if you don’t believe in the haunting.

(Wasn’t sure if this should go here or in the DeFeo section but thought here since it involves the paranormal theories.)
No.

He was a delinquent. Nothing to see here.
Clearly you don't know the meaning of delinquent.
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Re: Do you believe Ronald was possessed?

Post by Bodie_Rose » Fri Jan 19, 2018 6:51 pm

Amit Y Ville wrote: He was possessed for sure. He wasn't the kind of person who'd just kill his entire family for no reason.
Wasn't he?

I'd argue that indeed he was exactly the kind of person who would murder his family.

Ronnie was a sociopathic scumbag. A 23 year old loser with habits for taking drugs, robbery and waving guns around. There are witnesses to him threatening others with a gun and then there's the incident where Ronnie decided it was a good idea to fire his Marlin in someone else's house.

He was already on probation and readily admitted to the police that he'd burgled the empty house next door and also robbed his Grandfather's dealership. There's testimony that he was about to be kicked out by his parents and also about his jealousy of his younger siblings.

Barely 24 hours after he murdered them in cold blood the vile scumbag was insulting them to the police... bitching about his mother's cooking and how messy and gross the boys were.

In the years since then he's done nothing but poison the memory of his family, pointing the finger of blame at Dawn and even at one point his own mother!

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Post by Amit Y Ville » Sat Jan 20, 2018 7:22 am

Bodie_Rose wrote:
Amit Y Ville wrote: He was possessed for sure. He wasn't the kind of person who'd just kill his entire family for no reason.
Wasn't he?

I'd argue that indeed he was exactly the kind of person who would murder his family.

Ronnie was a sociopathic scumbag. A 23 year old loser with habits for taking drugs, robbery and waving guns around. There are witnesses to him threatening others with a gun and then there's the incident where Ronnie decided it was a good idea to fire his Marlin in someone else's house.

He was already on probation and readily admitted to the police that he'd burgled the empty house next door and also robbed his Grandfather's dealership. There's testimony that he was about to be kicked out by his parents and also about his jealousy of his younger siblings.

Barely 24 hours after he murdered them in cold blood the vile scumbag was insulting them to the police... bitching about his mother's cooking and how messy and gross the boys were.

In the years since then he's done nothing but poison the memory of his family, pointing the finger of blame at Dawn and even at one point his own mother!
More evidence to the fact he was possessed.
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Re: Do you believe Ronald was possessed?

Post by Bodie_Rose » Sun Jan 21, 2018 10:10 am

Amit Y Ville wrote:
Bodie_Rose wrote:
Amit Y Ville wrote: He was possessed for sure. He wasn't the kind of person who'd just kill his entire family for no reason.
Wasn't he?

I'd argue that indeed he was exactly the kind of person who would murder his family.

Ronnie was a sociopathic scumbag. A 23 year old loser with habits for taking drugs, robbery and waving guns around. There are witnesses to him threatening others with a gun and then there's the incident where Ronnie decided it was a good idea to fire his Marlin in someone else's house.

He was already on probation and readily admitted to the police that he'd burgled the empty house next door and also robbed his Grandfather's dealership. There's testimony that he was about to be kicked out by his parents and also about his jealousy of his younger siblings.

Barely 24 hours after he murdered them in cold blood the vile scumbag was insulting them to the police... bitching about his mother's cooking and how messy and gross the boys were.

In the years since then he's done nothing but poison the memory of his family, pointing the finger of blame at Dawn and even at one point his own mother!
More evidence to the fact he was possessed.
You're entitled to your own opinion of course, but there is no evidence that Ronnie's actions were anything other than that of a drug-taking sociopathic criminal.

If it wasn't for the haunting claims the idea of supposed possession would not even be around. Ronnie tried the insanity defense at his trial and failed miserably. It's very clear that he had obvious psychological issues, (anti-social behaviour, rages, a drug habit, emotional disturbances) but nothing to suggest he was not in control of his own mind from a psychiatric point of view. There is absolutely nothing the slightest bit paranormal about his behaviour, before, during or after the murders.

He killed his family, alone, with no outside/supernatural assistance. His anger at his father boiled over, possibly he became angry with his mother and siblings if his delusional mind felt they were also against him. He took a rifle and in a fit of rage and desperation, shot every one of them. He took the time to collect and get rid of as much evidence as he could, went to work, pretended he did not know his family lay dead and hoped he could get away with it.

The FACTS speak for themselves, from his own testimony to the police, the court and his utter lack of remorse ever since. He knows what he did was heinous and wrong but instead of taking responsibility, he makes up ridiculous stories and tries to put blame on others.

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Re: Do you believe Ronald was possessed?

Post by Brooke Forrester » Wed Jan 24, 2018 5:28 pm

I’ve never believed he was possessed. I’ve always thought if there was a haunting that he brought it in by the killings, but the publishers didn’t want to offend the DeFeos by suggesting their loved ones weren’t at rest, so they came up with the stories about the land always being paranormal (it also makes the story more exciting).

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Post by Amityville Rock » Wed Jan 24, 2018 5:30 pm

I think he was influenced by what was there, but not controlled. If anything, it helped fuel his destructive nature for its own evil purposes.
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Re: Do you believe Ronald was possessed?

Post by vomit » Thu Jan 25, 2018 10:29 am

Amit Y Ville wrote:
vomit wrote:
Brooke Forrester wrote:This question is of course mostly for those who believe in the haunting.

A big part of the haunting story has always been that the paranormal activity existed before the murders and that the murders were a direct result of the spirits that were purportedly there for centuries.

The Warrens, Holzer and the Lutzes seemed to believe he was possessed.

For those of you who do believe in the Lutz story, do you believe too that Ronald Jr. was possessed?

You are welcome to answer even if you don’t believe in the haunting.

(Wasn’t sure if this should go here or in the DeFeo section but thought here since it involves the paranormal theories.)
No.

He was a delinquent. Nothing to see here.
Clearly you don't know the meaning of delinquent.
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Post by jimmysmokes » Thu Jan 25, 2018 12:27 pm

Some people want Ronnie to be possessed because it lends credence to the Lutz story.
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Post by DC Fan » Thu Jan 25, 2018 2:42 pm

jimmysmokes wrote:Some people want Ronnie to be possessed because it lends credence to the Lutz story.
I agree.

And it is not needed because theories of Poltergeists, negative energies or whatever do not require Butch to have been possessed. The two issues can be separate. I'm not sure who decided to put them together in the public story; Lutz, Weber, Anson or maybe an editor at Prentice Hall. But the two were put together and then people run with it.

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Post by Bodie_Rose » Fri Jan 26, 2018 8:22 am

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jimmysmokes wrote:Some people want Ronnie to be possessed because it lends credence to the Lutz story.
I agree.

And it is not needed because theories of Poltergeists, negative energies or whatever do not require Butch to have been possessed. The two issues can be separate. I'm not sure who decided to put them together in the public story; Lutz, Weber, Anson or maybe an editor at Prentice Hall. But the two were put together and then people run with it.

Well, George and Kathy became convinced that Ronnie was possessed/influenced and that's why they went to Weber in the first place.

That's the story anyway, and I tend to think they truly did believe it. That's not the same thing as it being actually TRUE though, the Warrens and Holzer also ran with this explanation too... with two very different causes.

Holzer seemed to be a bit of a looney and he was sent in by Weber and profited handsomely from his involvement. The Warrens, have a knack for turning just about any haunting case they meet into something straight out of The Exorcist. They also earned themselves a shed load of fame and fortune from stuff like Amityville, of course.

NONE of those people are a credible judge of Ronnie's state of mind, not a single one of them. Only one of them even ever MET the guy, and all Ronnie did was try to repeat his failed insanity defense only with added supernatural elements. Holzer seemed convinced, but that BS was no different to the rest of the BS Ronnie talks.

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Post by Amityville Rock » Fri Jan 26, 2018 1:43 pm

The topic of this thread brought another interesting question to my mind. Assuming the Lutz story of the haunting is true, do you think whatever troubled them was attached to the family itself, or originally attached to Ronald Defeo, Jr. and then latched onto the Lutzes because of their apparent dysfunction, or was something attached to the land itself?
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Post by Amit Y Ville » Fri Jan 26, 2018 4:20 pm

vomit wrote: Definition of delinquent
: a usually young person who regularly performs illegal or immoral acts
Petty crime though.

Dealing class A's and murdering your family exceeds delinquent.
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Re: Do you believe Ronald was possessed?

Post by Brooke Forrester » Mon Jan 29, 2018 7:01 pm

Amityville Rock wrote:The topic of this thread brought another interesting question to my mind. Assuming the Lutz story of the haunting is true, do you think whatever troubled them was attached to the family itself, or originally attached to Ronald Defeo, Jr. and then latched onto the Lutzes because of their apparent dysfunction, or was something attached to the land itself?

I would think attached to Ronnie. I don’t really believe the stories of the land being haunted because no one else complained. So I say Ronnie brought it in with his behavior and then it attached to the Lutzes. They said it followed them.

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