Gentile Amity Week, Night 3
(May 29, 2002)
LOU GENTILE: Let's get on with George Lutz. George,
welcome to the show.
Hi Lou. How are ya?
LOU GENTILE: Ah, I'm doing okay. The best I can
do, I guess, compared to what happened last night.
Did you put out an announcement that the fellow that called-in
last night is never to call your show again?
LOU GENTILE: That's right. You can never call,
ever again. [laughs]
KEVIN MEARS: Hi George.
Hi. How are ya?
KEVIN MEARS: I'm good.
LOU GENTILE: Alright, now let's take this call,
because I believe this is John.
JOHN (caller): Hi, its John. [dial tone]
LOU GENTILE: Can you believe it? [laughs]
KEVIN MEARS: Did you just hang up on him?
LOU GENTILE: I just hung up on George.
KEVIN MEARS: Well you...
LOU GENTILE: Ah... Is this John?
#990000 (caller): Yeah, its John.
LOU GENTILE: Alright John, hang on a second,
okay? This is amateur night as well as Amityville night. So anything
GENTILE: And we're back to The Lou Gentile Show.
We have George on the phone as well as John. Alright John, go
ahead. Get it out of your system, what you have to tell him.
JOHN (caller): Okay, I just want to address what
the skeptics in general say about ghost stories and paranormal
sightings. They try to claim a logical or medical condition. You
know, something like a hypnogogia or waking dreams or hallucinations
to explain some of the things that happened to the Lutz family.
You know, I just want to know if that was posed to George, how
would he respond to it?
That, I have no idea. I thought about this after we got hung up
on last night, and after there was obviously going to be no more
radio show last night. The thing that came to mind first was that
the, if you want to call them, the pressures of being a newlywed
or having business, and a new family and all of that, I think
kept me very grounded in some practical ways back then. And then,
Kathy and I talked about it quite a bit during one of the breaks
while we were trying to get everything going and I guess I really
didn't understand part of your question. I think I understand
it a bit better tonight.
I was reminded of two specific instances where, let's say that
was possible that it was more of a dream than reality and yet,
the way I recall it, there's no part of it that was a dream.
JOHN (caller): [unintelligible] when you woke
up the next day you said, "I wasn't really sure what happened
last night," or was it a very...
Well the problem is I didn't wake up. The problem is I stayed
awake after this went on, and all through it...
JOHN (caller): So there really is no waking dream
JOHN (caller): It was just reality.
Right. Even when I look back at it now, I kinda wish it was a
dream, especially... [call waiting tone] ...house, but there's
one good part to this and one bad part, and we'll do the good
part first, if you wish.
When Kathy and I were levitating, we were talking to each other
[call waiting tone] ...were looking down at the bed and it was
empty. That was a pleasant experience. That was not a frightening
experience. It was disconcerting in that it was new and uncomfortable
and pretty unbelievable even while its going on and you're seeing
it and you're participating in it and you're conversing and talking
about it. And after we were back in bed, next to each other, we
looked at each other and said, "Did that really happen," just
for confirmation from each other. I really can't really think
of that in terms of a dream, because we were cognizant through
it and talking to each other and carried on a conversation while
this was going on. One of disbelief, but still...
JOHN (caller): The reason I asked is because
I am sure there are certain percentage of paranormal reports that
can be attributed to things like waking dreams, where, as true
with paralysis and having terrible nightmares and afterwards not
really being sure what happened but, you know, I know that feeling.
Things like cold spots in your house that's not, that has nothing
to do with a waking dream at all.
I can think of a waking dream, as such, years later in terms
of a nightmare where I'm talking in the middle of the nightmare
and I'm already in California for, let's say two years. That to
me would be a waking dream/nightmare kind of thing.
JOHN (caller): I've experienced that. I've had
them in the past, so I know what they're like. I had one where
I was paralyzed for maybe 15 seconds, and there was a woman at
the end of my bed. I butchered my dead grandmother the next day.
I wasn't sure if it was reality or if it was a dream, you know,
I couldn't tell. At least that's sort of the way they are, so
that's why I was proposing the question.
KEVIN MEARS: You see, John, the one thing I point
to is that the big way to tell when you're looking at something
that has to be paranormal and not a hypnagogic hallucination is
if you have more than one witness seeing something, its not hypnagogic.
It can't be.
JOHN (caller): I agree.
And during the nightmare, for example, Kathy would wake me up,
but I really was not awake. I was back in the house. And that
was one of the most frightening things to be back there and feel
that I couldn't get out of there.
And Kathy was hearing, while this was going on, Kathy was hearing
a woman speaking, saying, "Where's my George? Where's my George?"
And I was just trying to figure out a way to get back to where
out of there. Get back to wherever it was I was supposed to
be, because I knew I wasn't supposed to be there.
So I don't know what you'd call that a really bad nightmare,
or just some form of hallucination. I don't know.
JOHN (caller): A bad day, for sure.
Yeah. I mean, I still recall it, and this is now 20 years more
than 20 years later since that one. But I still remember that
JOHN (caller): So you never looked at it the
next day and said, "Is this real," I mean it was just always real
as far as you were concerned, right?
Well that certainly that experience was. Even though I knew
my body was asleep, there was no part of my mind that was.
LOU GENTILE: Its amazing. And I'm sure that while
you were in the house, George, you had similar dreams?
No, see, I won't use the word "dreams." Kathy had the dreams
I didn't have them. Kathy had dreams about the order of the murders,
where the bodies where the DeFeo family was shot who was shot
first, the time that they were shot different things like that.
I mean she literally relived that in her mind, in her dream state.
And I don't know, we never had a way to know whether that was
dreams was accurate or not whether they were, if you wanna
call them, "bleed-throughs" in time of some kind that were really
showing her what really had happened. All we could ever say was
this is what she experienced. This was what she came to believe
happened. Doesn't mean that forensics or science would show otherwise,
you know, or would confirm it.
That wasn't the troubling thing. The troubling thing was that
she would even dream these things.
LOU GENTILE: Alright John, does that answer your
JOHN (caller): Yeah, I have another one if you
wanna hear it. A simple question.
LOU GENTILE: Okay, go ahead.
JOHN (caller): I've heard rumors that you're
gonna either make a new website or possibly a book or maybe even
some type of a documentary. Is that gonna happen, or what's the
chance of that happening? [unintelligible joke made all laugh]
LOU GENTILE: See? What did I tell ya. Here we
For more than 20 years I've wanted to do a picture book of some
kind with an explanation of the house as the way we left it. That'd
be the picture book of all the different photographs that were
taken the day of the investigation. And we will do that. I don't
know when that will be. I had thought that we had that worked
out two years ago. As you know that didn't come about. It will
happen, and it will happen within two years, but the question
is just when and how.
I'm not really sure what media to put it on and how to think of
it. What I'd really like to do is put it on amityvillehorror.net
when we get that up and running, and then just have it for people
to see and if they want a CD of it, or whatever, make one available
for five bucks or something like that, I really don't...
JOHN (caller): I think a lot of people are looking
forward to that, for sure.
I really don't want to think of it in terms of a commercial venture
as much as just making the photographs available.
As far as a book no. We tried that a couple of different ways.
We do still have the original "Campaign of Terror," which is a
very large book. That was the sequel that the writer left after
it was done and after a what would you call it an advance
advanced negotiations had already been completed with Prentice-Hall,
and then it was removed from the market because of all the legal
problems at that point with the author leaving. We own the copyrights
for that, so we will be transferring that book to probably the
same website in probably the same way. You can read it there or
you can download the whole thing. We'll figure something out with
that, because I think people would really should have those
stories should know what happened to the other people.
So there's two different projects that I'm not sure how we'll
handle them as an end result, but we're certainly trying to figure
something out to have it make sense and not have it be 20 bucks
a copy or anything like that.
JOHN (caller): Okay. I'll be waiting.
As far as movie goes, that's just, that's always a dream until
it happens. So who knows.
LOU GENTILE: Alright John, thanks for the call.
JOHN (caller): Thanks for taking my call.
LOU GENTILE: Alright. Bye. [off-topic talk excised]
Let's take another call. You're live on Lou Gentile Show. What's
you question for George Lutz?
CALLER: Hey George, I was just wondering something.
When did you feel that all those horrible episodes pretty much
ended? Was it after you moved out to California?
When I look back at it now, I think that many times we thought
it was just plain over. Many different times we just, we'd have
quite a few days of peace, quite a few days, even weeks, maybe,
without the severe headaches and the nausea or the draining sensation,
where you just have no energy at all and you have no physical
ailment, no illness or anything like that, but you just are drained.
We would have weeks of peace and we would say to ourselves, you
know, looks like, you know you dare to think that maybe its
over that way. In that sense. So when the kids would have a good
night's sleep night after night after night, so that you would
start to feel safe, and then a few things would happen, and, umm,
you would know better.
CALLER: Do you feel now that you are at a place
where you can finally say, "Whew, its over"? Or I guess this never...
Well, yeah, in one sense its always been over, from the time we
left there. In that sense, what I mean by that is that, that was
the beginning of severing the direct physical and psychological
link with the house. It was years later when we met Reverend Neal
Smith, who was the archbishop of Canterbury's exorcist for the
Anglican Church in England. We spent time with him. We prayed
with him. We... I hate to say it now, but I argued with him for
quite a few hours, and it was mostly about words and semantics.
Finally he got me to agree to go into the chapel in his church
and pray with him. That we could both agree on. And there's the
way I thought of things, the way Kathy thought of things, and
the way he thought of things, were different. And it was a problem
for a couple of hours with us. And he's a lovely man. He's really
an incredible individual.
And in that church that night he said prayers with us, for us.
He did a blessing. And there was an incredible relief at the end
of that night. You could feel a real lifting from it all. That
doesn't mean that it all just quit right then and there, but so
much of it went away, that if there's a biggest turning point
after leaving New York, or getting out of the house, it would
certainly be that.
CALLER: Wow. That must have been horrible, but...
Well actually it was kind of wonderful that it happened.
Yeah. That it was over, that meeting him. That was just one of
those gifts from God that you are grateful for forever, and never
understand how it came about. The way we met him was, we were
being interviewed by a New York Times I'm sorry, a London Times
reporter, and her name was [sounds like "Dani"] Brooke, and
she had written a book on natural childbirth. And she was interested
in our story, and she was interviewing us about our story, and
she mentioned that she knew Reverend Neal Smith, and we just begged
her to meet him.
And the following year we were back in London, seeing him again,
but that time was totally social, and having dinner with him and
his family. They were really wonderful people.
CALLER: Great. Well thank you, George.
You're quite welcome.
CALLER: And thank you for sharing your story
with everybody. Take care. God bless.
LOU GENTILE: Alright. Thank you. Well, John Zaffis
joins us now. John, welcome back.
JOHN ZAFFIS: Hi, How you doing?
LOU GENTILE: Alright.
Hey John. You're back to bother me some more, aren't ya?
JOHN ZAFFIS: Uh, yeah. [laughs]
LOU GENTILE: So how are you doing, John?
JOHN ZAFFIS: Doing okay. Not bad.
LOU GENTILE: Alright. We were just recapping
some of the things that happened last night, and took a couple
of calls that person John called in, and...
JOHN ZAFFIS: Oh no. Everything didn't crash again,
LOU GENTILE: No.
KEVIN MEARS: It must have been that there were
two "Johns" on at once.
LOU GENTILE: Say that again, Kev.
KEVIN MEARS: Well there were the two Johns on
at once. So you didn't get that double whammy.
LOU GENTILE: [off-topic talk excised] Anyway,
George, as far as Butch DeFeo is concerned I know there was
a point where you actually tried to get him some help. Is it possible
you can elaborate on that a little bit?
After Kathy and I left the house, we sat... [call waiting tone]
...tapes for ourselves not the kind of tapes you would want
anyone else to listen to. And they were for our own sense of well-being,
psychological un-doing... [call waiting tone] ...different things
that had taken place for one of us, and the other had no idea.
It was a discovery process, also.
In the process of doing that, we came to the conclusion that Ronald
DeFeo sitting in jail for six consecutive life terms would be
a real... [call waiting tone] ...tragedy again would further
the tragedy. [call waiting tone] ...very least he should be afforded
psychological help, psychiatric care. And we made arrangements
through friends of ours. Amy Vedder was a good friend of mine,
Joe Vedder, who was they were at our wedding earlier that July.
They had been over to the house while we were in the house. She
knew William Weber and she, or a way to get a hold... [call waiting
tone] ...she knew DeFeo's attorney, and she made inquiries about
whether he would be willing to talk with us, and we eventually
met him and sat down and spoke with him. Always with the understanding
that that was the reason why we were meeting with him.
LOU GENTILE: So in other words, you actually
believe that there was something going on with this that he could
have been very well possessed.
LOU GENTILE: Okay. John, what stories had you
heard about Butch DeFeo being possessed in all the times that
you have discussed The Amityville Horror?
JOHN ZAFFIS: One thing that I'd like to ask George
before I answer that George, did he agree to the counselling
and the psychiatric help?
I don't think William Weber, as DeFeo's attorney at that time,
ever made any moves towards such a thing.
JOHN ZAFFIS: They never even tried to seek out
I have no reason to believe that he did.
JOHN ZAFFIS: Okay. Just curious.
I have no... I am not privy to any information that he did anything
in that way. Instead what happened was that by the time Ed and
Lorraine went into the house on the 2nd time, there was a contract
that had been delivered to our house. It had Weber and his partners,
Mars and Burton wanted to do a book deal and a movie deal and
use our story as part of that. They wanted us to take lie detector
tests, and if we failed the lie detector tests, we were not to
receive any money from this venture. And Ronald DeFeo was to receive
monies from this.
And the whole idea of all of that was just... They even, at one
point, wanted us to donate the house to their corporation. That
was the whole idea was just not something that Kathy and I would
JOHN ZAFFIS: Alright. I was just curious where
he went as far as, you know, were they even attempting on his
behalf to try and get him any psychological help or, you know,
any type of guidance...
Well representations were made to us that there was an appeal
in process that there was an automatic appeal of some kind that
would be taking place. That this that any information we supplied
would be helpful towards that, possibly. We were introduced to
a gentleman by the name of Paul Hoffman, who eventually wrote
the "Good Housekeeping" article without our permission. He was
introduced to us as a criminologist working on this case. Turns
out he was a writer. We didn't know that until it was April of
1977 when he, when the story came out in "Good Housekeeping" about
us. Yeah, these are this is quite a group of interesting individuals.
JOHN ZAFFIS: Yeah. I should say. I think the
one thing, Lou, in answer to your question in hearing so many
different arguments, if you will so many theories, so many different
things that took place the night of the murders its astounding
to me today, after all these years, that none of the neighbors
heard any of the shots.
LOU GENTILE: Well John, I got a surprise for
ya. I have, tonight on the show, its gonna be coming up on the
next hour when George leaves us Joel Martin. Have you heard
of Joel Martin?
JOHN ZAFFIS: Umm, its not a familiar name to
me right now. No.
LOU GENTILE: Okay. Joel was a local Long Island,
New York, radio personality who closely, who was closely involved
with The Amityville Horror case. And he was the first
reporter on the scene. And he has some very, very first-hand knowledge
of the interviews that took place with all of the people and neighbors
and friends and all that other stuff. So he's gonna be explaining
that to us when he comes up on the second part of the hour.
JOHN ZAFFIS: Okay. That sounds good.
LOU GENTILE: Definitely, its believe me its
gonna blow the doors off a lot of people's opinions about what
I believe he knew Kaplan rather well, too, if I remember correctly.
LOU GENTILE: Yes. And he didn't exactly condone
what Stephen Kaplan was doing.
I wasn't inferring anything, I just, I always thought that he
LOU GENTILE: Yeah, he knew him, but he didn't
really condone what he was doing as far as calling Amitville a
hoax, because even Joel will admit that there have been some very
odd, strange and bizarre things that have happened surrounding
The Amityville Horror case, with the people who have
been involved and things like that.
talk excised break]
GENTILE: I wanna get into some of these email. I tried
to sort them out. The first one I'm gonna do here is from Bill
Bonfiglio from New York, and he asks George: "There have been
allegations that during the time you were residing at 112 Ocean
Avenue, you had gone to the police station and told them you were
having thoughts of murdering your family, and you turned your
gun over to them. Is there any validity to this allegation, and
if so, what are the details?"
I had heard this before. I don't know where to start. Back when
we were in New York and I had my business there, I had a cash
payroll [and] I had a license to carry a concealed weapon. That's
not an easy thing to get. It was limited to Nassau and Suffolk
County and upstate New York. It was not valid in New York City.
So any time that I went to New York City, I had to either leave
the gun at home someplace or in a car or at a police station.
The police station always seemed to be the best option. So very
often I would go and it just became a habit to stop by the police
station and you drop it off and you tell them when you'll be back.
We went to New York and I dropped the gun off.
LOU GENTILE: So that allegation is false, then?
LOU GENTILE: Okay. [off-topic talk excised] George,
where do you think The Amityville Horror is gonna be
in 25 years from now? Do you think its gonna be as widely publicized,
and do you think its still going to remain one of the most popular
hauntings in human history?
Where do I think it'll be in 25 years? Do I have a marketing plan
for it for 25 years from now? Is that part of the underlying question?
LOU GENTILE: No, its just, I mean, what do you
I couldn't have imagined 25 years ago I'd be sitting at home on
a telephone talking about this to a live audience. That's just
not I don't think about that. It doesn't occur to me that that's
something important to worry about or think about. I don't know.
I mean maybe that's not the answer you want, but...
LOU GENTILE: Well let me ask you this. Twenty-five
We spent 25 years trying to put together a normal life and live
fairly incognito where we are. Its not a comfortable thing to
be recognized when you go to the grocery store, and I have a great
deal of empathy about that, and I'm glad that that's gone away
for the most part, so when it does happen, most of the time, I
guess that you can consider it a pleasant surprise, but its like,
okay, well thank God it doesn't happen every day or every week
or every month. I can't imagine what that kind of life would be
like, and not be able to live like a private citizen.
LOU GENTILE: Well 25 years ago, was it different?
It was never a good thing to go out of your house and worry about
who's gonna accost you next.
LOU GENTILE: Alright, let's take another call.
You're live on The Lou Gentile Show, and what's your
question for George Lutz?
CALLER: Yeah, hi. I was wondering if I can ask
George how much of the movie was realistic. I mean how much...
What I'm trying to say is how much that happened in the movie
really took place?
There is quite a few things in the movie that never took place
never happened the way that they were depicted in the movie.
CALLER: Now would you say that the flies on the
priest did that happen?
I don't think that Father Ray ever spoke about flies on him. The
flies did happen in that room constantly in the upstairs sewing
what we referred to as the Sewing Room. They were there pretty
much from the time we moved-in, but they weren't in swarms like
in the movie.
CALLER: Oh, okay. Now, the toilet bowl flushing
blood was there anything like that ever happened?
No, no. I got it all. The toilet bowls did turn black on the first
floor and on the second floor, and they had started to on the
third floor when we had left. When we left.
CALLER: Wow. Creepy.
Just the inside of the porcelain. Not the complete bowl. The blood
running down the walls no. One of the things they left out was
that there were drips out of the keyholes on different doors,
especially on the second floor, that, they were like a hardened
substance. They were black. It was like a teardrop, and they would
grow longer. They would grow larger. So as time went on they got
they actually grew while they were there.
CALLER: Now the cross on the wall, did that turn
CALLER: Yeah, that did happen. Oh. And how long
was Ed & Lorraine Warren involved when at what point did you
call Ed & Lorraine to come visit your house?
Actually Laura DiDio set that up from channel 5. I still don't
understand how she came into our life and performed so many wonderful
things and then just seemed to be the right person in the right
place. But she had a rapport with them and she understood them
to be the professionals that they are. And she took it upon herself
to get a hold of me and especially after seeing, I think, Kaplan's
interview in the newspapers and on TV on the 18th and 19th of
February, and she explained that he had no credentials, but she
did have people that did have credentials. And she convinced the
Warrens to come down and go through the house the first time by
themselves with her. So she accompanied them.
She was an assistant news producer of some kind for channel 5
news in New York. And then the Warrens put together the team that
went in later.
CALLER: Now before you bought the house, were
there any early warning signs that told you that maybe, you know,
"I shouldn't buy the house," you know, that maybe there's something
wrong here, or that nothing ever went through you mind?
Sure, it went through our minds. And in this sense, that we wanted
to first of all know that if the kids were going to be bothered
by this in some way if they had objections, we would not have
bought the house. So as a family we sat down and discussed it
And I'm not saying today that that's the best solution that someone
would do, but that's what we did then. We sat with them and we
explained that a family had been murdered there. They had seen
the house. They had been through it. If they had any reservations
or any reason in their minds that they wouldn't be comfortable
in there, then we wouldn't have moved there. So that was a decision
before buying the house, in that sense.
CALLER: Does anybody in Amityville today still
hold any ill-will towards your family?
Oh, I would have no idea.
CALLER: You would have no idea.
GEORGE LUTZ: I'm told that there are quite a
few, but I really don't know.
CALLER: Hmm. Cause I understand that that town
was I mean after the movie took place after the story took place,
now Amityville, you know, as soon as you say that name, everybody
links it to your story.
Oh, and I'm sure there were times and there still are when
they wished that we had never moved-in there. And I can certainly
understand that I would never have wanted to be my neighbor, and
then have all the years after that.
CALLER: Alright, thank you very much, George.
And Lou, keep up the good work.
LOU GENTILE: Alright man, thanks a lot. Thanks
for the call. Bye. [off-topic talk excised] George, have you,
within the past 25 years, went back to Amityville at any point?
LOU GENTILE: Was there any kind of hard feelings
with anyone there?
Oh, no one knew that I was there.
LOU GENTILE: And I imagine the house is completely
changed today, correct?
From the pictures I've seen, yes.
JOHN ZAFFIS: Well I can speak to that, because
I was there about two months ago, when I was working in the general
vicinity on a case naturally you want to see the Amityville
home. And the whole side is done. The curved windows those are
replaced. The pool is gone. I'm not quite sure, but I think its
a new boathouse that's out there. But you can still tell that
its the home just by driving by it, by all the pictures over the
years. I mean they have done some remodeling.
LOU GENTILE: George, were you ever at the house
that they blew up in Tom's River, New Jersey?
LOU GENTILE: No? Just checking.
That was one of those sets that I wasn't invited to.
LOU GENTILE: That's actually right down the street
from our house.
LOU GENTILE: Yeah, its funny. Because when I
met my wife it was like, "Yeah, this is where The Amityville
Horror is," and I'm like, "That's not the Amityville horror
house," and she's like, "Oh, I know, its the one they blew up
in the movie."
I'm told they, that was an A-frame and they converted it somehow?
LOU GENTILE: All I know is that she said that
they blew it up and its completely different then the way it looked.
They didn't really blow it up, though.
LOU GENTILE: Yeah, they did.
LOU GENTILE: Yes. Completely levelled it.
I didn't know that.
LOU GENTILE: Yep, the house in Tom's River was
completely levelled and they built a new home and the family that's
there now I mean, it was a movie, so I'm not expecting that
they had a haunting or anything, but, you know, they built the
brand new house on it and, you know. Its eerie how it actually
looks like Amityville. You know, the pictures at least that I've
seen. Because if you look at the back yard, they have a boathouse
now. They didn't blow that up. And its still got that look to
it, if you know what I mean. [off-topic talk excised] John, what
did you find that when you were growing up with your aunt and
uncle, whenever they brought up Amityville, did you at all think
that maybe this wasn't true, maybe it was true. Was there any
skepticism in your mind, or...
JOHN ZAFFIS: No. The reason being, Lou, is you
gotta remember, when they were working on cases, I was always
fortunate enough to be around, and Ed would always say, "John,
listen to this, listen to this." And you've heard me say this
before, where I heard before, you know, anything really ever hit
where books, you know, and the movies or anything really hit
when Ed & Lorraine actually sat down with Kathy and George and
they were talking to them about different things. Or it was over
the telephone I can't remember exactly what it was on the audio
I just remember sitting, listening to the different things and,
as you know, my uncle will stop the tape and start telling you
what he feels with his input and what he thinks was happening
to the family at that point and time. See, ya gotta remember,
at that point and time, it was considered "just a case." It was
just a case in Amityville, Long Island, at that point.
So as things progressed and I would hear these different things,
or the movies would come out, or you'd hear about the book, you
read the book, and different things, I mean, then everything would
start getting twisted and turned and, you know, some different
things would come into perspective, but did I ever doubt the validity
of the case no. Because I remember the original investigation,
when they went in, and hearing them discuss and talk about the
different things that transpired. So no I never doubted it for
And actually, George, I don't know if you ever go on my website
or if you've ever been on there or not, but I do talk about the
Amityville story on there. And the very first paragraph I state
that in there, that I heard it ever since I was a kid, so I knew
that it was real. [laughs]
Its been a long time since I visited. Is it warrens.com?
JOHN ZAFFIS: No, I was referring to mine. I have
my own website.
No I haven't, John.
JOHN ZAFFIS: Okay. Everybody has a website today.
LOU GENTILE: Go ahead, John, plug your website
for George so that he can...
JOHN ZAFFIS: Okay, its www.prsne.com.
JOHN ZAFFIS: Prsne.com.
LOU GENTILE: Yes that's www.prsne.com
as well as Warrens.net.
Alright, George, I wanna thank you very much for being on the
show... [off-topic talk excised]